Rocky Marciano's so called punching power

Shortest reach of any heavyweight champion

I think in this interview (the title of which is clickbaity), he said that was part of the reason he had the "swashbuckler" style he did

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His level of fitness meant he could throw his best punches all night,how they would compare to a Lennox's, Joshua's,Wlad's, Foreman's ,and indeed how they would affect class big men of that size are two other questions.

 

Yep. A certain booted person would go ballistic right now.

Ask yourself this:

Do you honestly see Rocky KO1 Golota, KO2 Ruddock, KO2 Frazier/Norton, KO2 Berbick/Tubbs, KO1 Spinks/Williams, KO1 Patterson ....

 

It is kind of a feature of the current size obsession, that a fighters power is measured by the size of the men they knocked out.

I think that stopping somebody renowned for having a good chin is better proof of somebody's power, than knocking out somebody who is big.

For example I would give somebody more credit for stopping Paulino Uzcdun, than I would for stopping Primo Carnera.

I also feel that a fighters KO% falls off very rapidly, when they start fighting opponents ranked in the top ten.

 

No I don't.In turn I don't see Cockell or Lastarza going more than a couple of rounds with any of the big good superheavies.It isn't a criticism of Rocky its being realistic about what a fairly slow of foot and hand 185pounder with a tendency to cut could hope to do against a huge talented durable puncher.

 

The huge fly in this ointment is being renowned for having a good chin against who?
Lets look at what you said here. If a lightheavyweight regularly ko's 212lbs+ men of quality, isn't that more impressive than if he only stops other lightheavies? Archie Moore said both Yvon Durelle and Curtess Shepard hit harder than Marciano both were within 10lbs of his weight .What would a 40 years old Moore make of Anthony Joshua hitting him upside his head?

 

The rock obviously couldn't hit all those fighters who got knocked out teeth out ribs broken carries ruined all a delusion.all the testimony from opponents false.

 

Janitor, do you wilfully simplify every argument to its basic elements or do you genuinely not think people are taking multiple factors into account when they say things like that?

 

I think that history has shown, that there are guys weighing under the cruiser weight limit, who have chin's like anvils, even by super heavyweight standard's.

I also think that the best super heavyweights of history, have had unexceptional chins, with one or two exceptions.

 

I think that posters like yourself take multiple factors into account, though you might place too greater weighting on some.

We are however starting to see some posters, who almost do conform to the caricature of only valuing size!

 

A very pertinent point. Adamek, by no means a small cruiserweight, was considered to have a world class chin and punching power at that weight. Once he moved up to HW he was ragdolled and rapidly relegated to the status of a feather fist.

Had he fought in an earlier era where the top men at HW were the same size as himself, or smaller, then we would never have known any of this, and fans could have taken his resiliency and evident power against those men and assumed the same would hold true against more modern-sized heavyweights.

This is the situation that's been going on with older fighters for generations. Not that they couldn't conceivably compete on those grounds, but that the standards of the time aren't sufficient to put that beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Humans in respective weight classes don't vary that much between generations. The fact that since Rocky's time we haven't seen a single 185lber become the dominant puncher at HW leads one to suspect that his power wouldn't have transferred up to modern standards. The alternative (which I've seen bandied around more than once) was that Rocky was some sort of superpowered freak that could defy the laws of nature and common sense. Unfortunately, that's actually considered a legitimate line of argument to take in boxing.

 

I think whenever a poster mentions size, they're using a catch all term for height, reach, weight, strength, resilience and heavy handedness. No one literally means just size alone, with no corresponding benefits, since what good would that do you in a fight?

 

I'd say the number of sub-200lbers with truly world class HW calibre chins is relatively rare, or at least unproven. Toney, Holyfield and Guillermo Jones are about the only ones I can think of in recent times, and they all competed at heavy against modern power punchers (or in Jones's case proved himself sufficiently against a host of powerful punching large cruiserweights).

Fighters from before then tended not to have an opportunity to test their chins against truly world class big men who could punch (relative to the standards of the modern era).

On the flip side, SHW's who are considered to have had unexceptional chins frequently fought against huge punchers that had the physicality to test those chins and did so. As a result, knockdowns and knockouts sometimes happened that can lead one to suspect that they were unable to take a punch as well as their smaller brethren, who never had to withstand such shots.

Personally I don't think the difference in punch resistance between Lennox and Marciano is all that great. I might even say that Lennox proved his chin against a greater array of punchers, and took better shots than Marciano ever did. The trouble is that both men are being held to the same standard, despite fighting in (to all intents and purposes) different weight classes.

 

I disagree but that is a pretty fascinating argument I never heard.

 

Do you honestly don´t see any context with the

Impact Energy = 1/2mass*velocity²

and different weight classes of fighters, throwing their body mass into impacts? Even if you watch different weight classes on punching bags?