Who rates higher all time Jeffries or Dempsey?

Dozens of historians including those of the time agree. Double who thinks they are miles apart is wrong, but I will give him a chance to learn.

 

Riddick Bowe stopped Pierre Coetzer the very same way. It wasn't a NC or DQ.

And in a modern setting, Jeffries would've lost his title via lopsided 12 or 15 round decision to Jim Corbett (who hadn't won a fight in six years.)

And Jeffries would've been outpointed over 10 or 12 rounds by Choynski and Ruhlin.

 

There are/were more than "dozens" of reporters in the Associated Press, particularly in 1950.

 

You're proving my point. Corbett and Fitz weren't in their primes when they fought Jeffries. Corbett hadn't won a fight in six years. Both of them came off YEARS of layoffs to fight him.

Sharkey was active and in his prime when he was knocked out by Dempsey.

Face it, NO ONE Jeffries beat was as good at the time as a prime Jack Sharkey.

You're admitting it with your answers.

 

I don't care how "great" he was when he was "older", he was coming off two-year layoffs BOTH times he fought Jeffries.

An old Fitz coming off two-year layoffs wasn't better than an active Jack Sharkey in his prime.

 

You're right. Plenty of guys who didn't even scratch 190 though right? Nearly half of Jeffries resume to be specific.

I don't care if he was prime or not. Jeffries had exactly 52 lbs on Choynski. 52 ****ing pounds. That's not nothing.

 

It certainly was disputed,some thought Choynski was entitled to the nod!
Jeffries dropped Choynski in the3rd and 15th rds.
Later Jeffries said Choynski hurt him more than any other fighter."Joe Choynski struck me the hardest blow I ever received.I was chasing him along the ropes in our fight at Woodward's Pavilion ,when he suddenly turned on me.
He let go his right,and I thought my head left my body.The blow dazed me,but I recovered quickly.That was the closest call I ever had in the ring."
"Of the decision Jeffries said,""I did the forcing and landed the only knockdowns,but Choynski deserved a lot of credit for his gameness,I was satisfied."
" I see by the papers that the referee says he didn't give me the decision because the other man came after me all the time.Well why shouldn't he? He weighed about sixty pounds more than me".Joe Choynski.
The decision was NOT booed by the spectators .I have the round by rounds report .The San Francisco Call thought Choynski entitled to the verdict.
"From a scientific point of view Choynski should certainly have been acknowledged the winner.He ducked cleverly away from Jeffries push leads and time and again planted his left on the big fellow's nose and eyes.
Choynski most assuredly scored the most points,but Referee McDonald,to please the majority of betting spectators decided the contest a draw.Possibly in a fight to the finish Jeffris would have outlasted his opponent but from a scientific piint of viewChoynski certainly had the better of last evening's contest,having scored the cleanest hits and in defensive work,he more than proved his superiorit over the big,Los Angeles Heavyweight" SanFrancisco Call next day.

Most thought it a fair decision and the crowd applauded it..

 

You're kind of all over the place.

Fitz didn't fight for two years before he fought Jeffries. He dominated Jeffries and then got stopped. He came back and won five fights over the course of a year.

Then he took another two years off, and fought Jeffries again.

An older, active Fitz was still dangerous.

But Jeffries never fought an active Fitz either time. Fitz was off two years before each time they faced off.

Why Fitz didn't fight him after he had five tuneups and got the rust off, I have no idea.

Regardless, an active, prime Jack Sharkey is better than a pushing 40 Bob Fitzsimmons who hadn't fought in two years.

 

The guy started bringing up "TODAY THIS WOULD'VE HAPPENED." Well, today, the fights wouldn't go 20 or 25 rounds and Jeffries would've been outpointed over 10.

Everyone said Chuvalo would've been undefeated if fights had gone 25 or 45 rounds, too. But they weren't. So he wasn't ... undefeated.

If Jack Dempsey-Jack Downey/Meehan had been scheduled for 20 rounds, I doubt Downey or Meehan wins the decision (like they did over FOUR rounds.)

 

You mean the guy who flattened Ruhlin and Sharkey and killed another man in the ring? Or the guy who beat O'Brien many years later then won the light heavyweight title? That guy? Fitz was deadly before and after he meet Jeffries, you can look it up. Or I can show you if you need further information. I really though you knew more than you are showing.

There's a reason why you don't want historical input, your behind to use your word by miles.

Let's look at Jack Sharkey, he has but 13 Ko's in 55 fights, yet he has Dempsey rocked?

Sharkey lost most of his matches vs good competition when they were in their prime, and seems to have been gifted a win vs Jack Renault. As I said before he has a suspect chin. And I'm correct on all counts

Sharkey could do no better than draw with Heeney, and oh by the way lost 13 times and drew three times.

Sharkey's winning percentage is just 69%, which is very low for any top level fighter.