the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Hugo Pastor Corro vs Vito Antuofermo (June 30, 1979 for the WBA & WBC Middleweight Titles)

Round 1: 10-10 even
Round 2: 10-9 Corro
Round 3: 10-9 Corro
Round 4: 10-9 Antuofermo
Round 5: 10-9 Antuofermo
Round 6: 10-9 Antuofermo
Round 7: 10-8 Corro (Point deduction from Antuofermo for butting)
Round 8: 10-9 Corro
Round 9: 10-9 Corro
Round 10: 10-9 Antuofermo
Round 11: 10-9 Antuofermo
Round 12: 10-9 Antuofermo
Round 13: 10-9 Antuofermo
Round 14: 10-9 Corro
Round 15: 10-9 Antuofermo

My Score: (143-142 Antuofermo)

Official Scores: (146-145 Antuofermo) (146-145 Corro) (143-142 Antuofermo)
Winner: Vito Antuofermo by Split Decision to win the Middleweight Championship of the World.

 

Curtis Parker vs Dwight Davison (August 8, 1980 10 Rounds Middleweights)

Round 1: 10-9 Parker
Round 2: 10-9 Parker
Round 3: 10-9 Davison
Round 4: 10-9 Davison
Round 5: 10-9 Davison
Round 6: 10-9 Parker
Round 7: 10-9 Parker
Round 8: 10-9 Davison
Round 9: 10-9 Davison
Round 10: 10-9 Davison

My Score: (96-94 Davison)

Official Scores: (97-94, 97-93 x 2 Davison)
Winner: Dwight Davison by Unanimous Decision.

 

Rorschach, I would love to see your scorecard on the first Curtis Parker v Mustafa Hamsho fight. I found it to be a bit controversial but a good fight.

 

I remember scoring it 6-4 or 7-3 Parker but I haven't watched it in some time. It was a close fight but I felt Parker won. I just scored Hamsho vs Minter last night, 97-93 Hamsho 1,3,4,7,8,9 & 10 Hamsho rounds 2,5 & 6 to Minter.

 

Rorschach, here are my cards on the two fights. In the Parker fight, the ref should have just phoned in his appearance, because it was 10 rounds of warning Hamsho about butting with no points taken (and some of them really blatant). The Minter fight I had it a little closer but Hamsho a deserved winner. Two good fights.

Round 1: Parker
Round 2: Hamsho
Round 3: Hamsho
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Parker
Round 6: Parker
Round 7: Parker
Round 8: Parker
Round 9: Even
Round 10: Parker

Total: 6-2-2 Parker

Round 1: 10-9 Hamsho
Round 2: 10-9 Minter
Round 3: 10-9 Hamsho
Round 4: 10-9 Hamsho
Round 5: 10-9 Minter
Round 6: 10-9 Minter
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Minter
Round 9: 10-9 Hamsho
Round 10: 10-9 Hamsho

96-95 Hamsho

 

Doesn't it bother you to score even rounds? I mean I haven't seen to many rounds that were so close I could award it to a winner. I just watched Bobby Chacon vs Art Frias, there were some incredibly close rounds in that fight. Looked like a tough man contest from start to finish, wild swinging from bell to bell by both men.

 

Ayub Kalule vs Sumbu Kalambay (December 19, 1985 12 Rounds for the EBU European Middleweight Title)

Round 1: 10-9 Kalambay
Round 2: 10-9 Kalambay
Round 3: 10-9 Kalambay
Round 4: 10-9 Kalule
Round 5: 10-8 Kalambay
Round 6: 10-9 Kalule
Round 7: 10-9 Kalule
Round 8: 10-9 Kalambay
Round 9: 10-9 Kalule
Round 10: 10-9 Kalule
Round 11: 10-8 Kalambay
Round 12: 10-8 Kalule

My Score: (113-112 Kalambay)

Official Scores: (118-115 Kalule) (114-113 Kalambay) (117-114 Kalule)
Winner: Ayub Kalule by Split Decision to retain the EBU European Middleweight Championship

 

Leslie Stewart vs Marvin Johnson 1 (February 9, 1986 15 Rounds for the WBA Light-Heavyweight Title)

Round 1: 10-9 Johnson
Round 2: 10-9 Johnson
Round 3: 10-9 Stewart
Round 4: 10-9 Johnson
Round 5: 10-9 Johnson
Round 6: 10-9 Johnson
Round 7: TKO (on cuts)

My Score: (59-54 Johnson)

Official Scores (58-57, 59-55, 60-55 Johnson at the time of stoppage)
Winner: By 7th round technical knock out, and the first man to ever win the LHW title 3 separate times Marvin Johnson.

 

Rorschach, I really don't have a problem calling even rounds or other judges doing so as long as it is not abused. For instance, to review scorecards from the Orient or South America you may see a card that reads 148-146 over 15 rounds, which translates to 4-2-9 in rounds. Really? Those guys are professional fence-sitters. I might have 2 or 3 rounds even over the same distance, but if I'm calling it even it is because it was a damn close round. I know Harold Lederman never scores an even round and says he looks for something that one fighter did better. If you're solid in your judgement on that, then that's great, but I'm not going to flip a coin because ultimately, that penalizes one fighter. My soapbox today, but that's my take on even rounds.

 

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Ken Buchanan vs Roberto Duran (June 26, 1972 15 Rounds for the WBA Lightweight Title)

Round 1: 10-8 Duran
Round 2: 10-9 Duran
Round 3: 10-9 Duran
Round 4: 10-9 Buchanan
Round 5: 10-9 Duran
Round 6: 10-9 Buchanan
Round 7: 10-9 Duran
Round 8: 10-9 Duran
Round 9: 10-9 Buchanan
Round 10: 10-9 Buchanan
Round 11: 10-9 Duran
Round 12: 10-9 Duran
Round 13: 10-9 Duran (TKO at the bell)

My Score: (126-120 Duran at the time of stoppage)

Official Scores: (8-3-1, 9-2-1 & 8-3-1 Duran at the time of stoppage)

Winner: By 13th round technical knockout on what appeared to be a pretty severe low blow, Roberto Duran wins the WBA Lightweight Championship of the World.

 

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Mando Ramos vs Pedro Carrasco III (Wednesday June 28, 1972 15 Rounds for the WBC Lightweight Title)

Round 1: 10-8 Ramos
Round 2: 10-8 Ramos
Round 3: 10-9 Carrasco
Round 4: 10-9 Carrasco
Round 5: 10-9 Carrasco
Round 6: 10-9 Carrasco
Round 7: 10-9 Carrasco
Round 8: 10-9 Carrasco
Round 9: 10-9 Carrasco
Round 10: 10-9 Ramos
Round 11: 10-9 Ramos
Round 12: 10-9 Ramos
Round 13: 10-9 Ramos
Round 14: 10-9 Ramos
Round 15: 10-9 Ramos

My Score: (143-140 Ramos)

Official Scores: (144-142 Ramos) (145-142 Carrasco) (146-142 Ramos)

Winner: Mando Ramos by Split Decision to retain the WBC Lightweight Championship of the World.

 

Rorschach, here was my card on Kalule-Kalambay. Y'know, Kalambay had such a strong fast jab, but he primarily used that rather than engage. In fact, I think this was what cost him the fight. When Kalule would attack there was never really any firepower coming back at him. Kalambay only tended to sharp-shoot when he was ring center and could employ the jab and then fire off a combo once he assumed control. Anyways, here is my card.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Kalule
Round 3: 10-9 Kalambay
Round 4: 10-9 Kalule
Round 5: 10-8 Kalambay (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: 10-9 Kalule
Round 7: 10-9 Kalambay
Round 8: 10-9 Kalule
Round 9: 10-9 Kalambay
Round 10: 10-9 Kalule
Round 11: 10-8 Kalambay (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: 10-8 Kalule (scores a knockdown)

Total: 113-113 Draw

 

And here's one more Kalule fight. His bout with Davey Moore.

I remember watching the Davey Moore-Ayub Kalule fight back in the day and - while not scoring it - I was feeling that Moore was ahead. Official cards favored Moore also. But I recall reading Flash Gordon's report on the fight (for any of you who remember this very eccentric writer) and he had it 5-4 Kalule before the 10th round stoppage (BTW, a stoppage that I felt was a bit premature). Anyways, pen to paper, 10 point must system.

Round 1: 10-9 Kalule
Round 2: 10-9 Kalule
Round 3: 10-9 Kalule
Round 4: 10-9 Moore
Round 5: 10-9 Moore
Round 6: 10-9 Moore
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Kalule
Round 9: 10-9 Moore
Round 10: Moore stops Kalule

Total through 9 rounds: 86-86 Even

I'm not going to say it was anyone's fight, because Kalule's stamina at this point was very questionable. His promoter/Manager Mogens Palle moved him down to Jr. Middle in order to fight for that title (Kalule was Commonwealth middleweight champ at the time) and he freely admitted he practically had to cut off a limb in order to get him to 154. By this stage of the game Kalule was dead at the weight and you could see him fatiguing. It's testament how good he could have been at 160 when he mounted a comeback a few years later at his natural 160 and -even though way past his prime - still managed to win the European title and beat Sumbu Kalambay and Lindell Holmes along the way. It would have been great to see him in his prime in the 160 era along with Hagler, Minter, Sibson, Antuofermo, Hamsho, etc. He had that Emile Griffith upper body and may have done well being able to flex his true weight.

 

Ruben Olivares v Bobby Chacon III

I always heard this decision was controversial so I thought I would check it out. Here we go, California used the 10 point must system for this bout.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-8 Chacon (Chacon scored a knockdown - even this knockdown was controversial but I thought it was legit)
Round 3: 10-9 Chacon
Round 4: 10-9 Chacon
Round 5: 10-9 Olivares
Round 6: 10-9 Olivares
Round 7: 10-9 Olivares
Round 8: 10-9 Chacon
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Olivares

Total - 96-95 Chacon

Official scores were 96-94, 98-93 and 98-92 all for Chacon. Haven't a clue what fight Rudy Jordan and Lou Fillipo were watching. Only John Thomas was reasonable with his 96-94. This was a damn close fight and as you can see Chacon won it on my card only by virtue of the knockdown. If someone else says he had Olivares ahead, I wouldn't bat an eye.

 

Just finished LaPorte- Ruben Castillo, one I hadn't seen before. Very good fight, close until the last couple rounds. I watched it in three parts at lunch at work, but kept misplacing my post-it note scorecards. As such I only remember who won a certain number of rounds, forgetting to some extent which fighter won exactly which rounds.

I had it 114-111 LaPorte. Round ten saw him give Castillo a standing eight, round 11 had him knocking the challenger down, and then again in the 12th. If it had been a 15-rounder I can't see Castillo making it. If I was his cornerman I'd have pulled him out after the 12th. His legs were gone. Very brave performance and a good start from Castillo, who threw rapid, sharp combinations and LaPorte was...……..well, LaPorte, sleepwalking a bit and throwing bombs here and there. He's very frustrating to watch for me; LaPorte throws excellent punches with big power, perfect technique, all of it, but he's just never busy enough and he's a bad finisher. Makes for a lot of close fights for him that shouldn't be.

In rounds I had it 6-6, but LaPorte did have three 10-8 rounds, so...…...anyway, real good fight. Check it out if you haven't already.