Lomachenko has FIVE better wins than Crawford!

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  1. IKSAB

    IKSAB Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Lomas grandaddy Gamboa
     
  2. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    You mean the same Gamboa who was a midget at 135 and also lost to Castellanos, a gatekeeper? That Gamboa? Crawford who is a natural welterweight boiled down to 135 to beat featherweight Gamboa. What an achievement.

    When will Crawford fight someone with a pulse?
     
  3. IKSAB

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    The same Gamboa that easily schooled Lomachenko Sr, that Gamboa
     
  4. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    No, not the same Gamboa, the Gamboa who beat Salido fought at 126, not at 135 you causal. Your hero is nothing but a weight bully who took on smaller boxers period. The only opponent his size was a school teacher so far.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Jason Sosa was robbed against Gamboa lol

    As for Salido

    Well, tell me when Crawhype has fought an opponent who had 11lbs on him?

    When has he fought someone who had 11lbs on him on foreign soli?

    When has he fought someone who had 11lbs on him, on foreign soil, with a referee who didn't come from his own country? (Crawhype's had American refs for all his fights IIRC)?

    When has he fought someone who had 11lbs on him, on foreign soil, with a referee who didn't come from his own country, and said referee just so happens to be one, if not the, most corrupt in the sport?

    When has he fought someone who had 11lbs on him, on foreign soil, with a referee who didn't come from his own country, and said referee just so happens to be one, if not the, most corrupt in the sport, who allowed his opponent to punch him in the plums, hips, thighs all night, tons of flagrantly low and heavy blows, even reeling off 3 in quick succession right in full view of him, and said ref being someone whose eagle eye is so sharp that he managed to spot Abraham and Dirrell's feet getting slightly tangled for a KD he chose not to count for the former, but somehow he didn't notice them at all lol.

    When has he fought someone who had 11lbs on him, on foreign soil, with a referee who didn't come from his own country, and said referee just so happens to be one, if not the, most corrupt in the sport, who allowed his opponent to punch him in the plums, hips, thighs all night, and Crawhype had never been past 5 rounds before?

    I'll wait

    The answer is never. AFAIA, he's never fought anyone who even had a 7lb advantage on him for goodness sake, never mind all the other disadvantages I listed as well.

    The most amount of weight an opponent had on him that I know about is 4lbs

    He might have fought someone who had a bit more than that but even the 4lb advantage Diaz had on him is the only time any of his opponents with the exception of one other has had a weight advantage over him for all his fights where the weights are listed.

    When Loma fought Linares the later had all this on him


    Weight (at the very least 7 or 8lbs)
    Height
    Reach
    Power
    And I think even speed too - Linares has insanely fast hands. I mean stupidly quick
    Pro experience

    And on top of all of that Linares is supremely gifted, very athletic, crazy hand speed, beautiful technical skills and offence, knows how to set you up, set traps and walk you into shots, and he's an excellent counter puncher as well

    When has Crawhype ever fought anyone who held all of those physical advantages and attributes over him with Linares sublime skills too. And it was Loma's first fight at the weight too and he suffered a bad shoulder injury in round 2 which he had to have surgery on lol

    I'll wait

    The answer is never



    Salido had lost 12 fights when Loma fought him. However, like a lot of Mexican fighters he turned pro at a very young age (he was 15 when he made his pro debut) and he either had a very limited amateur career or he didn't have one at all. So he was obviously still doing his apprenticeship and learning his trade back then, which is why he went 8-6-1 in his first four years as a pro and was stopped in 5 of those 6 loses - 2 by KO and 3 by TKO. He obviously improved a ridiculous amount after that atrocious start to his career. And he was fighting grown men back then and he had terrible management too.

    Going into the Loma fight Salido had only lost to 4 opponents in like 12 or 13 years. Four loses in 12 or 13 years and all bar 1 on points (a TD loss to Mikey Garcia) as opposed to 6 loses in 4 years, 5 by stoppage, when he turned pro.

    These are those 4 fighters he lost against

    Juan Manuel Marquez who was 42-2-1 at the time and had just fought to a draw in his previous fight against a prime Pacquiao.

    Mikey Garcia 30-0-0

    Yuriorkis Gamboa 18-0-0

    And a SD to Cristobal Cruz 36-11-1 (don't be fooled by the record Cruz was a good fighter) which Salido avenged 3 fights later by wide scores.

    And Salido floored Gamboa.

    And the Salido that fought Loma weighed 128¼ on the scales, 3lbs more than Loma and he had a 11lb weight advantage on the night, whereas the Salido that fought Marquez, Gamboa, and Garcia had to drain himself down to 126 and they were all roughly the same weight as him in the ring.

    Gamboa 140 - Salido 140

    Loma 136 - Salido 147


    Garcia was a massive FW who was coming in at about the same as Salido was when he fought at that weight

    Marquez was coming in close to 140 whilst campaigning at FW, probably round about 138 give or take a pound.

    Loma was 1-0 when he fought Salido and he had never been past 5 rounds before

    And he fought Salido in Texas which is tantamount to a home fight for a Mexican, especially one who's facing an opponent from somewhere as far afield as Ukraine.

    Marquez had been past 8 rounds something like 19 or 20 times when he fought Salido.

    Cruz had been past 8 something like 28 times when he fought Salido.

    Gamboa had been past 8 rounds 4 times when he fought Salido.

    And Garcia had been past 8 rounds 6 times.

    None of those guys were at a 11lb weight disadvantage when they fought Salido. They were all the same weights as him, slightly more, or slightly less. And none of them had never been past 5 rounds before.

    Loma landed 164 punches against Salido

    Salido landed 142 against Loma

    That's 164 legal shots by Loma not ball breakers.

    Of Salido's 142 shots landed at least 30 or 40 of them were below the belt, many flagrantly low, against an opponent who he outweighed by 11lbs, and had never been past 5 rounds before.

    Salido should've been DQ'd never mind received numerous points deductions and I have little doubt he would've been had Loma had a home country ref like Crawhype has for all his fights. Had he just had a ref that wasn't as corrupt as sin he would've won the fight.
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Nope, he had a weight advantage against Horn as well. Horn weighed about 155, Crawhype was coming in at 157 when he was down at 140 going back 2 years ago and since his last fight he'd been working with his S&C coach adding muscle, size and just getting heavier

    Per his S&C coach

    ''We've trained harder since his last fight, putting more weight on him - good weight - putting some more muscle on him, and just getting him bigger, because we've always know he was going to have to move up in weight eventually, so that was a big part of it - just getting him heavier''

    ''He has easily put on 10lbs of muscle all the while by maintaining speed and athleticism.''

    So Horn weighed about 155 in the ring against Crawford, and Crawford probably weighed about 162, IMO, at least 160 if not that much

    I predicted Crawhype would be the heavier man in the ring and I was right
     
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    “B.. Bu.. But Bud just beat an elite top fighter and PAC killer who outweighed Bud doe! It was David slaying Goliath in his first 147 fight doe!”

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  8. Serge

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    This is what Rocky Juarez had to say about Linares. Juarez has fought Marco Antonio Barrera x 2, Juan Manuel Marquez, Chris John x 2, Zahir Raheem, Humberto Soto, Guty Espadas Jr among others. Do you think Horn is going to be featuring in anyone's Best I've Faced features after they've retired, let alone ones who've shared a ring with the kind of talent Juarez has? lol


    Rocky Juarez: Best I've Faced

    BEST JAB
    Jorge Linares: It would be between Linares and Barrera. Linares could throw two, three jabs at once. He had better movement than Barrera. He could throw the jab on a dime. Barrera’s jab was sneaky, a long jab. I was pretty good at knowing an opponent’s jab and Barrera just happened to have a longer reach than I expected. I’d have to say Linares. He had better speed with the jab. It was a range finder; a set up punch.

    BEST DEFENSE
    Linares: He just moved. He knew how to get out and get himself out of harm’s way. On the inside, he knew how to smother my shots and how to get out; knowing when to retreat at the perfect time.

    FASTEST HANDS
    Zahir Raheem: It would be between Zahir and Linares. That’s all (Raheem) had was his speed. Punching power wasn’t that effective. His jab was his strongest shot.

    FASTEST FEET
    Linares: He just knew how to keep distance. One of the reasons I’m picking Linares is because he’s probably the only guy that beat me where I knew I lost with no question. I just couldn’t catch him. I couldn’t find my distance. I just couldn’t land my shots flush like I wanted to.

    BOXING SKILLS
    Linares: I think Linares being a bit taller than (Barrera and Marquez). He could throw the double jab, he had good feet, he was an overall rounded fighter: good speed, good movement, good power. He dropped me in the fifth round.

    I can assure you we won't be seeing Jeffrey Horn being mentioned in anyone's Best I've Faced Ring features, unless that is they do ones on Australian domestic level fighters, and definitely not on anyone's whose faced the kind of level of comp Juarez has lol
     
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  9. IKSAB

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    Get a job bro
     
  10. WalcottsBentFace

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    Lol! That’s your response to the facts he just hit you with? Not surprised. ;)
     
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  11. Serge

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  12. inner2deepz

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    He unified and never lost, I’m a huge Loma fan, but he still lost. And in the interest of being fair he also he didn’t lose he lost to a pretty shop warn Salido. Salido has miles on him.
     
  13. deyell

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    Crawford unified in one of the weakest divisions in boxing where a mediocre glass jawed Indongo could hold 2 titles.
     
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  14. makzy

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    Grown ass men lie all the time, you're ******ed. Lomachenko is miles better than Crawford.
     
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  15. lepinthehood

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    Loma has a better resume, thats obvious.
     
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