Rating of the Heavyweights of New Millenium decade

He should definitely be in there.

He is undefeated, ended Valuev's long winning streak, beat Ruiz in what surprisingly was an exciting fight and beat an undefeated Virchis.

That's a hell of a lot better than Toney's 1-1-1-1 record against HW contenders, the sole win coming against an old Holyfield.

 

No it isnt Toney beat Ruiz who should have got the nod over Valuev (and thats an older Ruiz)

Valuev is unproven anyone ranked or near ranked he fought should have got the nod over him

2003-2004 boxes Chageav a beating anyway

BTW Toney would NEVER lose to Skeleton

 

Chagaev beat BOTH Valuev and Ruiz, plus undefeated Wladimir Virchis and a few other half way decent opponents. If men like Toney, Ruiz, and Holyfield are making people's top 10 millenium list, then Chagaev deserves to be on there as well, and likely above all of them......

 

Boxing business is built on promoters scoring, by real boxing scoring:

Valuev lost against Ruiz and Donald
TOney beat Peter in the first
Toney lost against Rahman

Boxings full of currupt decisons you cant base legacies on curruption

 

It was a horribly boring fight because Skelton did nothing but holding and avoid fighting after 5 rounds, but Chagaev won it comfortably. I think you must have been very drunk.

He beat Virchis who was (is) one of the, if not the hardest hitter at heavyweight. Sure, he's limited, but still a very big puncher. A primitive 6'6 250lbs Foreman if you like. He hasn't lost before or since and stopped a lot of fighters, including Hawkins who went the full distance with Peter and Tua.

A more impressive win however, is Ruiz. It was an exciting fight and Chagaev took it 8-4. Not that Ruiz is unbeatable, but he's a ***** to fight style-wise and to beat clean.


And why should we says "except for Valuev"?

Who did Toney or Tua legitly beat in the 2000's that hold up against those two names? Not to mention Valuev?

 

Toney beat Ruiz more impressively than Chagaev. Vichis lost against Sprott but got a big GIFT. Valuev got gifts against Ruiz and Donald. Chagaev got a gift against journeyman Skeleton

Maybe Chagaev deserves a top 10 spot but Im not sold on him, so put him in your top 10 if you want to make a list.

Toney is simply a league above him and would beat him if they ever fought

 

Just because you think Toney beat Peter in their first fight doesn't make it so. There are plenty of people who had Peter taking it because he hurt Toney often (James holding the rope to stay on his feet) and landed the more telling blows while Peter, like Rahman, walked through Toney's shots.

 

And you can't automatically give wins to people just because you disagree with the outcome. If Muhammad Ali were slapped on the hand for receiving gift decisions, then his legacy would hardly reach #1 status as the greatest heavyweight of all time. Many feel that he lost his third fight with Ken Norton, along with receiving gift decisions against Doug Jones, Jimmy Young, and possibly even Earnie Shavers. I don't personally agree with many of these claims, but like you said, **** happens...

 

1. Skeleton threw more than Chagaev and kept him on the ropes for the majority of the fight. Chagaev did little for the majority of the fight but lye on the ropes. He looked good when he opened up but this was very very rare. He got a very lucky decision

2. Virchis got completely schooled by journeyman Sprott.

3. Good win, but Toney schooled him more impressively

4. Tua isnt in my list, Toneys a legend who for me beat Peter, Ruiz, Holyfield, Guinn and looked like a boxing demigod in a few of those fights. Thats the key thing about Toney, he has some ofthe best P4P skills ever at heavyweight

 

I suppose if any opposing fighter whom you do not approve of goes up against a man whom you favor, he had better score a knockout, or else he's going to be accused of recieving a gift, right?

 

No what happened is what happened, do you give Chavez and Holyfield kudos for their draws against Whtiaker and Holyfield :nut

Ali after Frazier in 1975 was a shot fighter so yes he got gift or 2. His legacy isn't based on his post Frazier body of work, if it was he'd rate far lower, but Ali didnt get a gift against Shavers and Young was close and Norton3 was quite close

 

No I just know how to score fights, I've even called my fave Toney's gift against Rahman, if I was biased I wouldn't have called that. Now go wash the sand out of your vagina

 

I'll wash the sand out of my **** after you wipe Toney's cum off your sphinctor. If your idea of " scoring ", is bending over for people, well I'd say you're excellent at it.

 

Do I give Holyfield Kudos for his draw against Holyfield? :nut