The Super Undefeated Heavyweight Contender and Prospect Prediction Thread

Idk why Miller is so overrated...

 

Yeh, you're probably right. It's a pity because he likely has the physical attributes if he had the metal game to go with it. His dad was solid opposition for anyone.

Can't remember if Joseph Goodall was on that OP list, but if not maybe he should be in there as a possible.

 

Miller is probably the slowest heavy I've ever seen. He's a bum.

 

I think a lot of people underestimate Miller because they don't understand his style or find it attractive. I used to spar a guy when I was younger in the amateurs who was 6'3 280 pounds give or take, and like Miller or even Joyce to an extent, people would say the same thing, slow, poor defense, sloppy, just a big guy nothing to worry about. Believe me, big Glen was hands down the trickiest and most overwhelming guy I ever sparred/fought.

The sheer size of the man made it difficult to hit anything. Unless you could hit him right on the button, all your other punches were completely useless as he was so thick and well padded he simply smiled and kept coming forward like a monster. Whereas all his punches, it didn't matter how sloppy he was or where he hit you, every punch was just so heavy it sapped all the energy and resistance straight out of you. On top of that, he was constantly on me, leaning all over me, clinching and hugging me, pushing me around, by the end of the first round of 6x3s, I was absolutely spent, next 5 rounds was just Glen tossing me around and beating me up like a body bag, even if I wanted to knock him out or hit him I could barely raise my arms. It was like one of those bad dreams where no matter what you do, you cant move, you cant breathe, you just have to sit there and take it from an immovable object.

Now lucky for me, big Glen was a mauler/brawler, he wasn't fit enough to be a volume puncher. But imagine what I just described, but with a 6'4 300 Miller, a fighter who is the fittest in the division, who is a volume puncher with the highest output in the division, and has legs and a head like tree trunks.

For me, Miller is a very underrated fighter. He'll give anyone and everyone all they can handle. H.Fury would probably outpoint him. Joshua vs Miller is a damn good fight, as would be Miller vs Joyce in the future. But apart from that, Miller takes Wilder, Brezeale, Whyte, Ortiz, Parker, Jennings, Pulev.. all the rest.

From my experience with Glen, if you want to beat to Jarrel Miller, you have to be able to either run like the freaking wind Hughie Fury style, knock him out Joshua style (not Wilder, it will take power accumulation like Joshua to beat Miller), or out punch him Joyce style, because apart from that, if you cant do one of those 3 things, Jarrel Miller is gonna take you to school, eat you up and get the TKO.

 

No, it's because he's one-dimensional, sloppy as hell, and has no defense.

As soon as he faces a good puncher with agility and fast reflexes, he's going to get humiliated.

"Big, dumb and fearless" only gets you so far.

 

Makhmudov isn't getting much attention right now, but I'd be hard pressed not to put him pretty high up on the prospect list. he's had 3 fights and combined they've barely lasted 2 minutes. He's definitely a little crude, but that isn't a huge problem when you're a 6' 7" colossus with devastating power and pretty decent speed.

 

Washington, Wach, Duhuapas and soon to be Pulev. Taking out 4 world title contenders in a row. Being big, dumb and fearless has nothing to do with it when your style can out muscle, out hustle, and out land every guy you face. Like I said, it's unattractive to some, but it works every time.
You are correct in one aspect though, all inside pressure fighters generally have shorter careers, and Miller has been successfully managed to face tough contenders who don't have heavy knockout power as yet for career preservation. But I've seen Miller take kicks, punches and knees to the head throughout his boxing/kickboxing career that would send most guys heads to the 12th row, never seen him hurt or flinch once, just smiles and keeps coming forward, man has a chin of steel. Miller is most definitely shoulder to shoulder with Parker and Wilder in regards to the level he's at and cue he is in to face Joshua. I'd much rather see Miller vs Joshua than Joshua vs the other 2 at this point, that would be a great fight. Miller would really put AJs heart and endurance to the test, as AJ would Miller's chin.

 

I've never seen HBO, pretty sure we don't get it in my country... .... Miller tko7 Pulev

 

They weren't contenders, they were all fatted calves. Easy fights for the lazy-ass ducking guys at the top. Everyone ragged on Wilder for fighting Washington and Duhaupas, and rightly so. But it's a big deal that Miller beat them?

He is very tough though, as you point out. But how far can that really take him? He's sort of a HW Artuo Gatti. - Without the accuracy.

Well, he IS sort of fun to watch, I'll give him that.
I think Kirk nailed it, above: His being groomed as a future easy "name" opponent, for when one of the top guys needs a way to duck one of the other tops guys. "Manufacturing safe opponents" is practically a sub-industry these days.

 

Sure, i dont believe Washington or Duhuapas were or ever should have been world title contenders, but they are good solid fighters for a contender proving themselves, especially when he is demolishing guys title holders like Wilder are facing. Is Miller ever going to be a dominating reigning world champion? Probably not. Can Miller upset and potentially beat the dominating world champions? Definitely. Hes got the style to give every fighter nightmares. And once he easily dispatches of Pulev, i dont think anyone can argue that he isnt deserving of a shot to prove himself.

 

A few folks have suggested Trey Lippe Morrison is a top prospect. I don't see it. He can punch - but he's underdeveloped as a boxer. Where to begin...

1. No defense. This isn't the "I'm Jarrell Miller - I'm willing to stand in front of you and eat your biggest shots like they were my beloved cheeseburgers while I throw my own shots" lack of defense. This is the "I've never actually learned to protect myself" kind of lack of defense.
2. He isn't getting the sort of fights that can develop him as a fighter.
3. He's already had multiple wrist injuries.
4. As I type this - the best name on his résumé is Ed Latimore. That's not all that impressive to start with and re-watching that (brief) fight it's hard to envision a dumber game plan than the one Ed tried to execute against Trey. Move beyond Latimore and you'll find yourself asking whether Ty Cobb could beat Byron Polley. Ouch.
5. Lack of height. He's not 6' 2". I'd say he just about nudges 6' 0". That's not necessarily a deal-breaker - heck Andy Ruiz Jr isn't any taller. But he hasn't got Ruiz Jr's skill set.

Yeah, TLM's name will probably get him on ShoBox vs. an overmatched opponent. And he'll probably get an alphabet soup ranking because he's got a purse-boosting name. And then he'll probably get a beating.