Rate these three in order: Peter Maher, Joe Choysnki, Kid McCoy

I'm quoting people who lived during the time and it presumptions on your part to assume the films that have vanished today were not viewed by Stillman.

I've see some fighters at age 41 who have looked good. Judging Choynski's mobility in the 1910 film is easy and I just showed you two testimonials on his speed.

It doesn't surprise me much that you don't under stand the word stamina back then meant the ability to take it an endure.

At this point in time I think you need further education as I've seen you claim Choynski according to some was the hardest hitter they ever faced.

Sports reporter Howard Smith once wrote, “Old-timers claim that Joe was the sharpest hitter of all time. Not the hardest, understand

Jack Johnson said, In my opinion, he was the hardest hitter, pound for pound, of the last 50 years.

***Note pound for pound, NOT hardest heavyweight hitter.*** And I disagree, clearly Fitz pound for pound was the harder hitter.

In an interview with Nat Fleischer in 1950, Jeffries credited Choynski as being an extraordinary hitter. Wrote Fleischer, "Then Jeffries told of one of the hardest punches he ever took. He said it came in the tenth round of his fight with Choynski and was a right smash to the mouth. It drove his upper lip between the two front teeth and so bothered was he by the injury that he had his seconds cut away a piece of the lip to release it." Jeff also stated, "Choynski at his best was only a light light-heavyweight, yet could punch harder than most heavyweights"

***Note Jeffries DID NOT call him the hardest hitter he faced. Only that he could punch harder than most heavyweights.*** I prefer to quote the fighter directly if possible.

 

The definition of stamina has never altered!lol

Look Silly Bollocks, I've just come in from watering my garden, my partner has finished her soaps for the night. I'll get her a nice glass of Chardonnay and make myself a Mojito with mint picked from the garden.
I'm in a pleasant, contented mood, I don't need some sad twat looking to score points and bashing my ear. Go and bore someone else!

 

I'm quoting people who lived during the time and it presumptions on your part to assume the films that have vanished today were not viewed by Stillman.

I've see some fighters at age 41 who have looked good. Judging Choynski's mobility in the 1910 film is easy and I just showed you two testimonials on his speed.

It doesn't surprise me much that you don't under stand the word stamina back then meant the ability to take it an endure.

At this point in time I think you need further education as I've seen you claim Choynski according to some was the hardest hitter they ever faced.

Sports reporter Howard Smith once wrote, “Old-timers claim that Joe was the sharpest hitter of all time. Not the hardest, understand

Jack Johnson said, In my opinion, he was the hardest hitter, pound for pound, of the last 50 years.

***Note pound for pound, NOT hardest heavyweight hitter.*** And I disagree, clearly Fitz pound for pound was the harder hitter.

In an interview with Nat Fleischer in 1950, Jeffries credited Choynski as being an extraordinary hitter. Wrote Fleischer, "Then Jeffries told of one of the hardest punches he ever took. He said it came in the tenth round of his fight with Choynski and was a right smash to the mouth. It drove his upper lip between the two front teeth and so bothered was he by the injury that he had his seconds cut away a piece of the lip to release it." Jeff also stated, "Choynski at his best was only a light light-heavyweight, yet could punch harder than most heavyweights"

***Note Jeffries DID NOT call him the hardest hitter he faced. Only that he could punch harder than most heavyweights.*** I prefer to quote the fighter directly if possible.

When you finish re-arranging you lawn chairs for the 15th time, you can show us the quotes on Choynski being the hardest hitter of the time. Quote the fighters by name ( not a 2nd or 3rd party source ) , dates, and context please. You remain the fake news source of this board.

 

McCoy-Choynski 6-round draw in Chicago
http://senya13.blogspot.com/2018/06/1899-10-06-charles-kid-mccoy-d-pts6-joe.html

 

. He was the hardest hitter I ever faced."Jack Johnson.
Choynski pulled off the unbelievable on February 25, 1901 at Galveston, Texas when he knocked out the future great, Jack Johnson. According to Lardner (1972 pp 73-74), "Johnson called Choynski's punch in his temple the hardest punch he received in his ring career." He later described Joe's knockout of Johnson (1972 p 171), "... in the third round the dark-haired San Franciscan struck him [Johnson] a left-hand blow on the temple - a sensitive point in any man - that knocked Johnson flat and left his head ringing."



"The hardest punch I ever received was against Joe Choynski I thought he had taken the top of my head off."JimJeffries.

 

When did Jeffries say this? The source and date are??? He did not call Choynski the hardest puncher he faced.

In an interview with Nat Fleischer in 1950, Jeffries credited Choynski as being an extraordinary hitter. Wrote Fleischer, "Then Jeffries told of one of the hardest punches he ever took. He said it came in the tenth round of his fight with Choynski and was a right smash to the mouth. It drove his upper lip between the two front teeth and so bothered was he by the injury that he had his seconds cut away a piece of the lip to release it." Jeff also stated, "Choynski at his best was only a light light-heavyweight, yet could punch harder than most heavyweights"

***Note Jeffries DID NOT call him the hardest hitter he faced. Only that he could punch harder than most heavyweights.*** I prefer to quote the fighter directly if possible.

I'd also like to see what Sharkey and Corbett said, as you claim they also said Choysnki was the hardest hitter they faced.

 

He said Choynski hit him harder than anyone else, so did Johnson,You cant get away from that however much you wriggle! I don't see why its so important to you but it's a fact! Here is the date , the sources, and the quote!
1903 San Francisco Evening Post December 2nd and
The San Francisco Call August 16th 1903

"Joe Choynski struck me the hardest blow I ever received.Iwas chasing him along the ropes atWoodward's Pavilion,whenhe suddenly turned on me.He let go hisright and I thought my head left my body.The blow dazed me,but I recovered quickly.That was the closest call I ever had in the ring"JimJeffries page 87 " In the Ring With James Jeffries," Adam Pollack.What have you got to say now?

 

I say you own me, Sharkey and Corbett, saying Choysnki hit them the hardest, for starters.

Jeffries in an interview with a living person did not say Choynski hit him the hardest. He simply said Choysnki hits harder than most heavyweights. I already posted that. If Adam wanted to offer a balanced perspective he would have mentioned that too. At best this claim is contradicted by Jeffries himself. I tend to doubt Jeffries felt Choynski hit harder than Fitzsimons.

 

Jeffries said it in two interviews with the boxing reporters of two San Francisco dailies .
Choynski hit me harder than anyone else! It's a verified quote,and I've given the dates the papers and the source Adam Pollack Sorry you've just had your arse torn out!


I really hope you do keep denying this because it is just making you look like the bigoted ,biased arsehole we know you to be! Keep it up I love it!

ps You are right, I do own you!

 

That's the funny part old man. You don't even realize the score. I just showed you point blank Jeffries contradicted this statement. DUH. You are still down 2-0 until you show us with a verifiable link where Sharkey and Corbett also said Choynski hit them the hardest.

You only repeat false claims to mintage the fact that Jack Johnson was Ko'd by a guy likely under the light heavyweight limit. For such as puncher, Choynski took many no names the distance.

 

Two San Francisco papers , dated,verified and included in Pollack's biography of Jeffries which you haven't even read!
If you had a vestige of self respect you would leave this forum!

 

And I showed you Nat Fleisher's interview with Jeffries. Your too blind to see the contraction! Amazing. Are you going to show us where Corbett and Sharkey said Choysnki hit them the hardest. I sense a double duck from you. Status quo when you the truth catches up to you.

 

I think you should concentrate on one sentence replies .Your grammar is actually getting worse.

 

If he's quoting, "Stamina to take punches" may be an archaic phrasing for punch resistance, like you said due to his size.

 

"During an interview in 1940, Hall of Famer Jack Johnson reminisced about the hardest punchers he faced.
"Jeffries No. 1? No, sir. Give me Joe Choynski anytime. I faced both and should know. Jefferies had a powerful wallop, but Choynski had a paralyzing punch. His left hand was a corker. He was the hardest puncher in the last 50 years, with Joe Walcott a close second. I think his left hook was even more effective than either Dempseys."
A review of Johnson's record shows that Choynski is the only man to knock out the former champ besides Jess Willard.
Corbett was no less laudatory, "Little Joe was the hardest hitter I ever tangled with. To this day I can't figure out how a runt like him could hurt so damned bad."
Choynski gave Jeffries an unceremonious welcome to the upper echelons of the divisions. During their grueling 20-round bout on Nov. 30, 1897 in San Francisco, he nailed the future champ with a left hook to the mouth that broke clean through his lower lip, leaving his teeth exposed. Jefferies later said it was the hardest he'd ever been hit."