1973 George Foreman vs 1919 Jack Dempsey

1973.

 

I have never been exposed as anything of the sort. Never. I have debated with them both, disagreed many times, but never lied, cursed, lost my temper or forwarded anything factual I could not back up.

The one confusion was when I disputed a myth that Liston was ever a challenger to Marciano. But it was long forgotten but raised by you every five minutes each time you hit a wall and have no answer to my points.

 

They don’t have to be.

Where was Frazier in 1973? Wasn’t he over weight? Hadn’t he been taking things gently since the health scare and hospitalisation of 1971? Wasn’t he partying in Jamaica with his band on the eve of the Foreman fight?

Is any of this untrue?

Look I don’t have to make a case for either Jack or Rocky. I can state an opinion. I can challenge an opinion. You can state or challenge an opinion too.

But you have no right to name call or bait somebody you disagree with do you SuzieQ49?

 

I think there is an agument that the film supports that Dempsey circled Willard and pounced just as Dago says.

 

Yes, they were.
Most of them rose tinted resume hero fappers with no rational sort of mind, unable to gather fighters as individuals with abilities. Incapable to observe their own created abyss between their heros and very good non "ATG" fighters, never realising the gap beeing much much smaller than their own delirious illusion, fondling their heros testicles.

The same unhinged clowns who´d nowadays make Liston, Foreman or Tyson an overwhelming favourite against Anthony Joshua.
Sry to be that harsh. But I just can´t take that petty-minded garbage serious anymore.

 

I know everytime you hit a brick wall you come out with that baseless nonsense.

Yes Willard stood off initially. It dosnt mean Dempsey didn’t circle him and then pounce does it?

I seriously doubt your grandma could have circled around Willard.

it means Dempsey was more sophisticated than you imply. He created openings, lured, feinted and counter attacked.

Foreman was excellent at cutting off the ring, this is true, but the 1972 fight with Ted Gulllick (just previous to the title match with Frazier) offers enough evidence that George could be tagged full in the face with counter punches by a guy less powerful or as gifted athletically as a 1919 Jack Dempsey.

Foreman could close distance quickly but he got hit too. Nobody missed him. You can’t rule out a puncher like Dempsey. Are you saying he dosnt have a punchers chance? Didn’t Ron Lyle drop him?

sure Dempsey got hit too. Absolutely this is a good point. But it’s just a point. Are you saying George was not susceptible to being hit?

Sure. Nothing wrong in saying that so long as you say it’s only your opinion. It works both ways too son.

 

Willard made no attempt to cut off the ring, he expected Dempsey to come roaring in ,when he would then uppercut him, but he didn't ,he circled on the outside of Willard's range, feinting and changing direction, looking for an opportunity to explode.
I agree Foreman had an excellent grasp of ring geometry, in that he was far superior to his hero/ mentor Liston, he had mastered lateral movement well, Sonny never did.

 

These threads should be made with mandatory polls (preferably public)

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Foreman KO2

 

Dempsey would have to use his quickness. Come in at angles, keep Foreman from getting set. He showed some patience, and mobility against Willard. Foreman is a nightmare to have coming after you though. If I saw more film of Dempsey in his prime pre title days I could make a definitive pick.