1973 George Foreman vs 1919 Jack Dempsey

Except he didn't. Show me one fight where he just rushes in and attacks. The Willard fight he boxed for the first minute and probed with various punches to make openings then he found one. Willard fell. Brennan was a beautiful display of boxing on Dempsey's part. Dempsey didn't just bore in and start slugging. Sounds like a romanticized version of boxing.

 

Life’s not always like that. That could be far too simplistic. There are lots of examples where you can throw out all of that . Bob Satterfeild vs Nino Valdes. Charlie Norkus vs Charlie Powell just off the top of my head.

The crux of your theory is size alone.

But here is well researched evidence another poster put on here one time.

1891-04-27 Bob Fitzsimmons vs Abe Coughle 160 lbs vs 230 lbs KO2

1892-04-26 Bob Fitzsimmons vs Charles Puff 155 lbs vs 230 lbs KO2

1892-09-07 James J. Corbett vs John L. Sullivan 178 lbs vs 212 lbs KO21

1900-04-30 Bob Fitzsimmons vs Ed Dunkhorst 170lbs vs 260 lbs KO2

1900-08-10 Bob Fitzsimmons vs Gus Ruhlin 158 lbs vs 195 lbs KO6

1913-05-20 Gunboat Smith vs Jess Willard 180 lbs vs 230 lbs W20

1914-07-01 Joe Jeannette vs Battling Jim Johnson 197 lbs vs 240 lbs W10

1916-02-01 Jack Dillon vs Tom Cowler 170 lbs vs 205 lbs KO2

1916-06-29 Jack Dillon vs Frank Moran 169 lbs vs 204 lbs W10

1916-12-12 Sam Langford vs Battling Jim Johnson 191 lbs vs 224 lbs KO12

1917-05-01 Sam Langford vs Bill Tate KO5

1917-09-28 Billy Miske vs Carl Morris 178 lbs 228 lbs W10

1918-04-08 Billy Miske vs Tom Cowler 175 lbs vs 210 lbs KO7

1918-12-16 Jack Dempsey vs Carl Morris 185 lbs vs 220 lbs KO1

1919-04-02 Jack Dempsey vs Tony Drake 197 lbs vs 257 lbs KO1

1919-07-04 Jack Dempsey vs Jess Willard 187 lbs vs 245 KO3

1920-11-17 Sam Langford vs George Godfrey KO2

1921-03-18 Tommy Gibbons vs Al Reich 182 lbs vs 219 lbs KO1

1921-08-17 Sam Langford vs George Godfrey 185? lbs vs 220 lbs KO1

1922-09-26 Harry Greb vs Al Benedict 173 lbs vs 210 lbs TKO2

1924-03-31 Tommy Gibbons vs Soldier Lee 180 lbs vs 210 lbs TKO3

1925-01-30 Tommy Gibbons vs Tiny Jim Herman 179 lbs vs 225 lbs KO3

1930-11-28 Mickey Walker vs KO Christner 166 lbs vs 202 lbs KO1

1931-04-10 Mickey Walker vs Bearcat Wright 168 lbs vs 210 lbs W10

1931-08-17 Mickey Walker vs Jack Gagnon 167 lbs vs 209 lbs KO1

1931-10-21 Max Baer vs Jose Santa 204 lbs vs 244 lbs KO10

1932-07-25 Mickey Walker vs Salvatore Ruggirello 169 lbs vs 205 lbs KO1

1932-11-04 Les Kennedy vs Primo Carnera KO3

1932-12-06 Mickey Walker vs Arthur De Kuh 175 lbs vs 223 lbs KO1

1933-11-22 Tommy Loughran vs Ray Impellittiere 185 lbs vs 255 W10

1934-06-14 Max Baer vs Primo Carnera 209 lbs vs 263 lbs KO11

1935-06-20 Tommy Loughran vs Ray Impellittiere 188 lbs vs 254 lbs UD10

1935-06-25 Joe Louis vs Primo Carnera 196 lbs vs 260 lbs KO6

1936-03-16 Leroy Haynes vs Primo Carnera 197 lbs vs 265 lbs TKO3

1937-11-18 Albert De Meglio vs Primo Carnera 199 lbs vs 255 lbs PTS10

1939-06-28 Joe Louis vs Tony Galento 200 lbs vs 233 lbs TKO4

1941-03-21 Joe Louis vs Abe Simon 202 lbs vs 254 lbs KO13

1942-01-09 Joe Louis vs Buddy Baer 206 lbs vs 250 lbs KO1

1942-01-28 Billy Conn vs Jay D Turner 183 lbs vs 227 W10

1942-03-13 Charley Burley vs Jay D Turner 151 lbs vs 219 lbs TKO7

1942-03-27 Joe Louis vs Abe Simon 207 lbs vs 255 TKO6

1945-11-21 Luigi Musina vs Primo Carnera 184 lbs vs 264 lbs TKO7

1946-03-04 Joey Maxim vs Panther Williams 184 lbs vs 220 lbs UD10

1948-03-09 Jimmy Bivins vs Turkey Thompson 185 lbs vs 222 lbs UD10

1948-05-07 Joey Maxim vs Francisco de la Cruz 189 lbs vs 238 lbs PTS10

1948-09-14 Rocky Marciano vs Humphrey Jackson 183 lbs vs 254 lbs KO1

1948-12-10 Ezzard Charles vs Joe Baksi 178 lbs vs 210 lbs TKO11

1950-09-18 Rocky Marciano vs Johnny Shkor 190 lbs vs 220 lbs KO6

1950-09-27 Ezzard Charles vs Joe Louis 184 lbs vs 218 lbs UD15

1950-12-18 Rocky Marciano vs Bill Wilson 190 lbs vs 229 lbs TKO1

1951-06-09 Archie Moore vs Abel Cestac 177 lbs vs 224 lbs RTD9

1952-02-01 Roland LaStarza vs Bill Wilson 190 lbs vs 220 lbs KO4

1952-11-24 Harold Johnson vs Nino Valdes 176 lbs vs 210 lbs UD10

1953-07-01 Bob Satterfield vs Bob Baker 180 lbs vs 214 lbs KO1

1955-08-17 Bob Satterfield vs Nino Valdes 183 lbs vs 215 lbs UD10

1956-04-04 Willie Pastrano vs Johnny Arthur 188 lbs vs 228 lbs UD10

1956-04-16 Archie Moore vs George Parmentier 193 lbs vs 233 lbs TKO3

1956-09-29 Joey Maxim vs Edgardo Romero 191 lbs vs 249 lbs PTS10

1957-12-17 Harold Johnson vs Sid Peaks 179 lbs vs 215 lbs KO5

1966-01-17 Joe Frazier vs Mel Turnbow 199 lbs vs 231 lbs KO1

1968-03-04 Joe Frazier vs Buster Mathis 204 lbs vs 243 lbs TKO11

1969-01-10 Jerry Quarry vs Charlie Reno 201 lbs vs 251 lbs TKO5

1969-03-24 Jerry Quarry vs Buster Mathis 196 lbs vs 234 lbs UD12

1976-04-30 Larry Holmes vs Roy Williams 205 lbs vs 238 lbs W10

1977-04-16 Gerry Coetzee vs Mike Schutte 210 lbs vs 266 lbs W12

1980-03-31 Larry Holmes vs Leroy Jones 211 lbs vs 254 lbs TKO8

1985-04-29 Tim Witherspoon vs James Broad 222 lbs vs 261 lbs KO2

1985-12-06 Mike Tyson vs Sammy Scaff 215 lbs vs 250 lbs TKO1

1987-06-15 Michael Spinks vs Gerry Cooney 208 lbs vs 238 lbs KO5

1988-04-26 Donovan Ruddock vs Larry Alexander 226 lbs vs 256 lbs KO2

1990-03-02 Ray Mercer vs Kimmuel Odum 213 lbs vs 246 lbs UD12

1990-10-25 Evander Holyfield vs James Douglas 208 lbs vs 246 lbs KO3

1991-04-19 Evander Holyfield vs George Foreman 208 lbs vs 257 lbs UD12

1992-02-01 Michael Moorer vs Mike White 225 lbs vs 275 lbs UD10

1992-11-13 Michael Moorer vs Billy Wright 224 lbs vs 257 TKO2

1993-06-07 Tommy Morrison vs George Foreman 226 lbs vs 256 lbs UD12

1994-01-29 Donovan Ruddock vs Anthony Wade 241 lbs vs 290 lbs W10

1998-07-14 Chris Byrd vs Ross Puritty 213 lbs vs 247 lbs UD10

2001-10-13 Ray Mercer vs Brian Scott 237 lbs vs 274 lbs KO2

2003-03-01 Roy Jones Jr vs John Ruiz 193 lbs vs 226 lbs UD12

2004-11-13 Chris Byrd vs Jameel McCline 214 lbs vs 270 lbs SD12

2005-05-17 Eddie Chambers vs Ross Puritty 217 lbs vs 253 lbs UD10

2005-12-15 Sultan Ibragimov vs Lance Whitaker 220 lbs vs 272 lbs TKO7

2007-04-14 Ruslan Chagaev vs Nikolay Valuev 228 lbs vs 319 lbs MD12

2007-05-26 Alexander Povetkin vs Patrice L'Heureux 223 lbs vs 270 lbs KO2

2007-06-02 Sultan Ibragimov vs Shannon Briggs 221 lbs vs 273 lbs UD12

2009-03-27 Eddie Chambers vs Samuel Peter 223 lbs vs 265 MD10

2009-07-04 Eddie Chambers vs Alexander Dimitrenko 208 lbs vs 253 lbs MD12

2009-10-24 Tomasz Adamek vs Andrew Golota 214 lbs vs 256 lbs TKO5

2009-11-07 David Haye vs Nikolay Valuev 217 lbs vs 316 lbs MD12

2010-03-13 Alexander Povetkin vs Javier Mora 223 lbs vs 257 lbs TKO5

2010-04-10 Evander Holyfield vs Frans Botha 220 lbs vs 250 lbs TKO8

2010-04-24 Tomasz Adamek vs Chris Arreola 217 lbs vs 250 MD12

2010-08-21 Tomasz Adamek vs Michael Grant 217 lbs vs 261 lbs UD12

2010-10-16 Alexander Povetkin vs Teke Oruh 227 lbs vs 264 lbs KO5

2010-11-13 David Haye vs Audley Harrison 210 lbs vs 253 lbs KO3

2011-04-09 Tomasz Adamek vs Kevin McBride 215 lbs vs 285 lbs UD12

2012-07-14 David Haye vs Dereck Chisora 210 lbs vs 247 lbs TKO5

2012-09-29 Kubrat Pulev vs Alexander Ustinov 249 lbs vs 305 lbs KO11

2015-08-22 Mairis Biedis vs Manuel Charr 213 lbs vs 245 lbs KO5

2017-11-04 Deontay Wilder vs Bermane Stiverne 220 lbs vs 254 lbs KO1

2017-11-25 Manuel Charr vs Alexander Ustinov 230 lbs vs 279 lbs UD

 

Care to prove all your recent claims about the modern day fighters all being on steroids etc?

 

I have a hard time believing that Ali would 10 count Dempsey. Doubt that Young could put Dempsey on the canvas too.

 

That list is stuffed up and down with Bowes and Foremans

 

And I do have a hard time seeing little Dempsey taking any punches from Lyle, Briggs or Morrison without going to sleep....

 

Given that Dempsey was never stopped anywhere close to his prime, who can say what it would take to put him to sleep?

 

What about a Fireman? What about drunkpunch Firpo crawling of the ground hurting him with the next random hayemaker?
Nevertheless, Dempsey did not face that kind of heavy handed fighters.

 

I think that even Dempsey's harshest critics, would acknowledge that fight was some time before his prime.

Couldn't put him away, even after knocking him out of the ring.

I think that is very debatable to be honest.

Dempsey fought a lot of big mean, and a lot of heavy hitters.

Morris, Fulton, Willard, Firpo.

I see no reason to think that he is likely to fold when hit by somebody like Morrison or Briggs.

 

Just watch how shitty Firpo loads up on Dempsey after he crawls back into the ring. I do not need much more to see. That fighter was not good, looked very raw in general.
My post was about heavy handed fighters who knew how to get their mass on the spot.....

 

Dempsey-Lyle would be a war with Dempsey coming out on top. Briggs and Morrison would have their little chins shattered to pieces.

 

Did you watch what sort of fighters punched Dempsey out of the ring Open your eyes, boot up your brain, put away dope and beer for some days and watch it. Jeez this forum

 

How come Tunney didn't knock Dempsey out of the ring? How come Brennan didn't knock Dempsey out of the ring? How come Willard didn't knock Dempsey out of the ring? How come Carpentier didn't? How come Sharkey didn't? Miske? Fulton? Gibbons?

Your entire analysis of Dempsey is completely based around the Firpo fight. Are you even capable of complex thought?

 

You watched everything, but you observed nothing!