Thirty NineYears Old Two Years Retired Fitz versus Prime Liston,Frazier,&Tyson

A prime Tyson would utterly annihilate even the best of Bob Fitzsimmons. I'm seeing Tyson vs M Frazier all over again

Liston and Frazier beat him up too, especially this version.

 

Liston&Frazier both knock his freckles off. Tyson frightens him so badly his freckles literally fall off AT THE WEIGH IN.

 

Liston, Frazier, and Tyson would probably kill Fitz in the ring. Prime or not. He fought at too slow of pace to beat most champs after Johnson.

 

Seems weird to think that someone who could win over 20 rounds while ill and injured, couldn't just up the pace a bit in a modern fight setting.

There's plenty of modern fights at slowers paces, even between fighters who can go to way higher paces. Look at Frampton Vs. Quigg.

I don't see any reason to think pace alone would cause Fitz any issues.

 

I am skeptical, but it would be something if he could.
Why would he lowball his weight? If anything the opposite was common, like a guy fighting Johnson weighing in with metal things in his pocket.
Also he had a defined upper body & no legs. So I suspect without much lower body muscle, it was accurate.

 

I think he does the worst against Tyson, because although he's of course not the largest of modern heavyweights, he might be the very worst for a smaller man to fight. A quick starting, aggressive, iron-chinned whirlwind combination puncher with lightening fast hands and A- power is a tall order for even a slightly smaller man. Stlll, I'm highly confident Fitz does better than Ricardo Spain or Micheal "Jack" Johnson.

 

A prime Tyson, to me, is an honorary super heavy. Meaning that he fits more with the modern day class of heavies than the old time heavies

 

Fitz would be going from feinting the other guy out of position to throw a punch that misses every 20 seconds to having to throw combinations and fight at a pace where 50 punches are thrown per round.

I've never seen any modern fights where they throw as low amount of punches as they did in Fitz's day.

 

Tyson isn't a super heavyweight in any way, shape or form.

 

I'd say actually reading fight reports etc., instead of just going with what modern people say, Fitz could deal with combos and used them himself.

"Fitzsimmons missed a hard left hook for the body, but they went to a mix up in which the Australian did some clever blocking Gardner got his left high on the body and Fitzsimmons a left swing for the Jaw and another for the body."
There's no way these descibe a punch every 20 seconds, there's plenty of other examples I could post.

I've also heard people claim no one knew to cut the ring off back then, even though in Fitz's fights with Hall and Dempsey they trap in the corners.

 

Here's the account of a 25 round battle between Yank Kenny and Ed Dunkhorst, two I'm sure many would describe as some of the most big useless heavyweights of the era

http://nyshistoricnewspapers.org/lc...asetext=&andtext=&dateFilterType=range&page=1

"Dunkhorst bounded out of his corner for the twelth round as if he was just beginning the fight. He landed a couple of corking blows on the head and as Kenny rushed he mixed it so quickly that "Yank" was finally staggered. Then they slugged for all they were worth. Both groggy and yet game to the core."

This fight is full of the two of them throwing heavy shots, mixing it up, and Kenny smashing Dunkhorst about the ring. Yet all the best in the world could figure out back then was to feint and throw a punch every 20 seconds.

 

Yeah, great as Fitzsimmons was, that "plan and pounce" style of fighting would get him slaughtered by far less formidable fighters than Liston, Frazier, and Foreman, imo.

 

That all has to be taken in context. In the Corbett fight Fitz looks pretty one dimensional.

 

I said "honorary" meaning he fits more into that crew than he does with old time heavies.

 

He fits into the crew in between them. He's in no way a super heavy and nor is he an old time heavy. He fits in with Ali, Holmes, Norton, Foreman, Holyfield etc.