1973 George Foreman vs 1919 Jack Dempsey

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Who wins prime for prime?

Poll closed Jul 3, 2018.
  1. 1973 George Foreman

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  2. 1919 Jack Dempsey

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  1. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But he was stopped in his prime, by a freaking middle weight . check your knowledge of the fighter.
     
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  2. Flash24

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    If Foreman, pushed off Dempsey, like he pushed off Frazier , he would be disqualified because Dempsey would literally fly. That would be the only way Dempsey could defeat any version of Foreman.
     
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  3. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    What about a Fireman knocking him out in the first? Does that happen to ATG chins among HWs? Beeing put away in 1st?

    Where did I say so? The fight is on topic right now here, and yes, you can take something out of this fight: It was not that hard to hurt Dempsey.

    You can take something out of the Willard fight as well, regarding Dempseys so called punching power: What boxer with "incredible" power needs to punch down on a still drunk guy, shot like a deer for DOZENS AND DOZENS of times?
    If this is a proof of anything, then its Dempsey beeing a sharp, but not so powerful banger. Are you really seeing the old Willard get up dozens of times against Lewis, Wlad, Tyson, Foreman, or even Lyle, Morrison, Tua, Ibeabuchi and Shavers unloading with full force on that shot deer, crawling up and getting shot immediately again? What a braindead question.
     
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  4. Mr.DagoWop

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    Dude that was in 1917 when Dempsey barely scratched heavyweight, wanted to quit the fight game, and was an unpolished slugger. He was actually probably in the lower 170s/upper 160s for this fight. You should read his autobio. It gives a good picture of his condition in this fight.

    It wasn't hard to hurt Foreman either lmao. It isn't hard to hurt anyone as long as you land right.

    As far as I know Willard didn't have any alcohol in his system and his performance looked fine. He wasn't prime but he was in good condition. Are you seriously bitching at Dempsey for a first round knockout? You're ****ing ludicrous. There isn't a damn thing Dempsey could have done to please you but guess what? He didn't fight so a bum **** on the internet named "GOAT Primo Carnera" would suck his dick.

    Willard was never down or up dozens of times against Dempsey. Are you sure that you have even a remote understanding of that fight?
     
  5. SuzieQ49

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    One fight? Firpo. Dempsey rushed right in and got floored by a right hand

    Brennan? The fight where he was losing on points? Brennan didn’t deserve a title shot in the first place
     
  6. SuzieQ49

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    Exaggerating Dempsey’s weights again?


    In Dempsey’s peak fights he weighed

    188 vs Brennan I
    188 vs Fulton
    187 vs Willard
    188 vs Miske
    188 vs Brennan II
    188 vs gibbons
    188 vs Carpentier


    Not 197 like you claim


    Dempsey’s peak weight was 188lb..that’s who foreman would fight


    No 188lb man can outslug foreman
     
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  7. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    No he didn't. Firpo bum rushed him at the opening bell and swung a wild right hand.

    The public voted Brennan as someone they wanted to see fight Dempsey right up there with Wills and Gibbons. He was a top contender of the era. Dempsey wasn't down on points either. Newspapers literally say that Dempsey proved his master at nearly every stage of the fight. The film supports that version of events.
     
  8. SuzieQ49

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    No Brennan was not up there with wills, gibbons, or Greb


    Brennan lost 5 times to Harry Greb...one of them a world title eliminator. how he got a title shot over Greb or Wills is laughable. You cannot say he was a top contender of the era who deserved a title shot when he was several levels below the likes of wills and Greb

    I don’t think the film supports that version..Dempsey wasn’t overwhelming and Brennan was connecting. The fight appeared close. great finish by Dempsey in round 12, Dempsey was a great puncher. But he stuck his chin out a lot, got hit with a big right hand. Got hit with a few jabs..didn’t keep a high guard..his head movement was good, but he still got hit a lot by the best boxers he fought on film..

    In the Brennan fight, Dempsey bent over with his head sticking out...no high guard. Decent head movement but still his head was right in the danger zone..very vulnerable to being tagged by foreman’s uppercuts and hooks like Frazier suffered. Even if Dempsey gets inside, foreman will push him back into long range then tee off on the smaller man
     
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  9. SuzieQ49

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    Harry Greb...

    Beats Bill Brennan in an eliminator..

    Dempsey gives Brennan a title shot

    Beats gibbons in an eliminator...

    Dempsey gives gibbons a title shot


    Back in the 20s, eliminators meant the “winner” got eliminated from a title shot lol
     
  10. Mr.DagoWop

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    You shouldn't take Boxrec at face value.

    190 vs Tunney 1
    195 vs Sharkey
    193 vs Tunney 2
    193 vs Firpo
    198 vs Brennan [sorry I was mistaken :) ] [url]https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1923&dat=19201215&id=7pEfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MtQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1699,2568681&hl=en[/url]
     
  11. Mr.DagoWop

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    Now you're lying even more you biased hack. Greb never beat Brennan in an eliminator. The last time Greb fought Brennan was August of 1919, just after Dempsey won the championship. The third time was the day Dempsey won the title.

    Get your story straight before you bust a nut.
     
  12. Mr.DagoWop

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    Do you really want to stick to that story? Do I have to pull out the facts? Please don't make me bury you lil boy.

    False. Greb and Brennan fought 4 times. None of which were title eliminators for a fight with Dempsey. I'm getting tired of having to constantly slap you around like a *****. Stop lying already.
     
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  13. SuzieQ49

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    Dempsey weighed 188 vs Brennan

    Those other fights you listed besides the Firpo fiasco happened in 1926-27 when Dempsey had come back from a long layoff and was not in peak condition at age 31-32.

    I stand by my original statement...a peak Dempsey 1918-1923 weighed on average 188lb in his biggest fights
     
  14. SuzieQ49

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    Sure would love to hear how Brennan deserved a title shot as much as Harry Wills and his daddy Harry Greb :jaja-no:
     
  15. SuzieQ49

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    4, 5..what’s the difference at that point? Brennan got his ass kicked by Greb. I think after four bouts and arguably not winning a single round against Greb, Brennan was wondering why he fought him so many times. I think it was probably $$$

    greb dominated Brennan four times (while Dempsey was being outpointed by him after 11 rounds in the title fight, and had his ear nearly torn off by him).