1973 George Foreman vs 1919 Jack Dempsey

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Who wins prime for prime?

Poll closed Jul 3, 2018.
  1. 1973 George Foreman

    75.0%
  2. 1919 Jack Dempsey

    25.0%
  1. Mr.DagoWop

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    Or maybe the newspaper reports are an exaggeration? Ever think about that? They are after all from Pittsburgh newspapers, Greb's hometown. Greb wasn't even winning most of the rounds in some of these fights. In the third fight 7 entire rounds were even with one being given to Brennan and the rest to Greb, according to Charles J. Brill. Even means they could go either way. Greb wasn't proving to be better than Brennan for even the majority of the fight. Just 7 rounds. What if someone saw those even rounds differently? Maybe for Brennan?

    And it totally matters how many fights they had because you should know what the hell you're talking about.

    If you want to say that Greb deserved a title shot against Dempsey you'll get no argument from me. If you want to say that Brennan wasn't a worthy title opponent then you'll certainly get an argument from me. Again, fighters in those days got title shots according to reputation. The public voted for Brennan to get a shot in 1921 and made no mention of Greb.

    Dempsey wasn't down on points against Brennan. The newspaper clearly says that Dempsey was Brennan's master at nearly every stage of the fight and gave Brennan only about 2 rounds. You haven't provided any evidence whereas I have.
     
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    You're ****ing weird bro. Stop being so emotionally invested in these fighters.

    [url]http://www.boxing.com/the_trouble_with_harry.html[/url]

    "In early 1922, a national poll placed Harry Wills as the preferred next challenger for Dempsey, just edging out contenders Tommy Gibbons and Bill Brennan."

    No mention of Greb in early 1922 when he had beaten Brennan 4x and Gibbons once (lost 2x).
     
  3. SuzieQ49

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    That’s one source, boxrec has a source which lists him at 188. 188 puts him line with the weight typically came in at from 1918-1923

    Well apparently he was overweight because in his prime..1918-1923, other than the fipro fight....he came in at 187-188lb in some of his best performances. His two peak fights against Fulton and Willard, he weighed 188lb


    Are you trying to Pit a 1926-1927 195lb jack Dempsey in against Forman or the prime versions who fought Fulton and Willard at 188? Up to you
     
  4. SuzieQ49

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    Ah so apparently polls decide who get the title shots, not results in the ring?

    Let’s forget about the four times Greb kicked Brennan’s ass around the ring!
     
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    And what’s circling foreman gonna do for him? Foreman would cut the ring off in a heartbeat
     
  6. SuzieQ49

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    Brennan did not deserve a title over over Greb or Wills. Not even close. Considering Dempsey had yet to give Greb or Wills a title shot, Brennan did not deserve a shot at the title
     
  7. SuzieQ49

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    Great Stuff
     
  8. Mr.DagoWop

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    Jesus Christ it's like you can't even read half of the time. I never said that Brennan deserved a title shot over Greb.

    How can Greb deserve a title shot when Wills wasn't given a title shot?
     
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    First this guy in the other thread tries to make a case gibbons deserved a title shot as much as Greb despite losing an eliminator

    Now he is trying to argue Brennan deserved a title shot as much as Harry Greb despite getting curb stomped by him four times!!!!

    This is comedy gold
     
  10. Mr.DagoWop

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    Well you see boxing is a business you dumb mother****er and the fans pay for the tickets. Not some whack job named Suzie on the internet 100 years later. They wanted to see Dempsey fight Wills, Gibbons, and Brennan according to the poll. Not Greb. Read it and weep.
     
  11. SuzieQ49

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    Actually you did and you listed a polls showing why Brennan deserved a title shot
     
  12. SuzieQ49

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    Keep up with the language and you’ll be reported. Maybe banned for the 6th time ..can you handle another ban? Maybe you could help Mom out with the laundry during your next ban.
     
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    Oh my god dude you're so stupid it's mind numbing. This is the source from boxrec. Whoever put the numbers in on Dempsey's record did it incorrectly.

    He came in at 198 for Brennan and 193 for Firpo. Dempsey was not overweight in the slightest. He was right on point.


    You've lost this argument.
     
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    Brennan was never "curb stomped" by Greb. I think you're rather over emotionally invested in the topic. Maybe you should take a step back before you have a stroke.
     
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    No I haven’t. I said the 1919 Dempsey vs 1973 foreman

    Dempsey weighed 187lb vs Willard, not 198

    And you still haven’t provided definitive proof Dempsey weighed 198 vs Brennan...could have been an error from that newspaper


    Even if it wasn’t, 198 was not the norm for Dempsey in his prime, it was an anomaly.

    Dempsey’s peak fights he came once at 187-188lb. Fulton and Willard fights