What drug testing protocols are in place for Golovkin Alvarez II?

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  1. Dirsspaardis

    Dirsspaardis Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, Victor Conte’s opinion has weight, his reputation preceeds him.
    You know who’s opinion weights more? The labs that did the test. According to them, test results are inconclusive/un reliable. The fact that he didnt fail that test obviously plays in his favour, but it doesnt mean clen got in his system from contaminated meat.
    Is there 100% proof he used PED’s ? No, he does have 2 failed tests for banned substance.
    Does the hair test result 100% prove he didnt use PED’s?
    Also no, test, while negative, cannot be fully trusted as errors are highly possible.

    At this point, other known details like physique changes (this is a professional athlete in his prime, theres not a lot he can change in record amounts of time without “help”), improvement in durability (same again) and accounts of his previous oponents, come in to play.
    Again, we havent got 100% proof he’s a cheat, but i refuse to dismiss everything mentioned so easily, simply because the test that cant be trusted anyway came back negative.
     
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    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    The "two tests" are you referencing the A and B sample being positive? These "two tests" are essentially the same test, from the same urine, so barring contamination or user error regarding one of the samples, they should read the same. It's disingenuous to say he failed two tests when using the same sample, if that makes sense.
     
  3. Dirsspaardis

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    He had two separate urine tests so it’s not A and B sample case. Sample A from test one showed high amount of clen in it, 4-7 days later IFRC, he had another one and sample A of that test still showed clen in his system but a lot less.
    I could be wrong about the time interval between both tests but he had two.
     
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    According to the Labs, the amount of clen found in Canelo are consistent with the consumption of meat.

    "these values are all within the range of what is expected from meat contamination."
    -Daniel Eichner, Director of SMRTL, the WADA-accredited lab that conducted the tests


    “This negative hair test for clenbuterol provides credible evidence that supports Canelo’s claim that his two positive urine tests were a result of eating contaminated meat"
    -Victor Conte, founder of BALCO, a laboratory that produced performance-enhancing drugs, and he currently creates legal supplements as founder of SNAC.


    So what are you arguing? Are you arguing that he's a PED cheat for the sake of your narrative?

    If any fighter ever deserved the benefit of the doubt, its Canelo. I'm sure you don't like hearing that but its the reality.

    -He's passed every single test his entire career minus the two tests this February that according to SMRTL Lab director Daniel Eichner are consistent with the consumption of tainted meat.
    -He passed 2-3 more tests following the failed tests.
    -He provided receipts to all the locations he ate meat
    -He willingly took a hair follicle test that despite the numbers not being reliable still will detect the drug. Most if not all subjects tested for clen using the HFT tested positive, what was inconsistent were the values found. Canelo came back clean which supports the claim that the contamination was from tainted meat.
    -He is one of the few who voluntarily signed up for VADAs 365 program.
    -Victor Conte (PED expert) has stated that his HFT coming back clean redeems Canelo

    This last part is pure speculation, and you're reaching here, especially when you consider all of the above. Physiques change rapidly depending on the type of work out you do and if you're working out daily for long periods. Do you have experience with the gym? When the average person works on gains for 1-3 months there are visible gains, packing muscle and losing muscle in a months time or more is not something that requires PEDs.

    You can use the Canelo is a PED cheat if and when he beats GGG, I will give Canelo the same benefit if not more of a benefit that I gave Klitschko, Tyson Fury, Lucian Bute,Francisco Vargas, especially since he's done a lot more than they have to prove he is clean.
     
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    Latest is that both will be allowed to inject as much anabolic steroids as they want. They will fight at light-heavyweight come fight night.
     
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  6. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Money has won again no one cares of peds its all about the Benjamins baby.Boxing is corrupt once again they will allow Ped cheat to fight.Get off lightly because of money simple as that.Oscar, Sulaiman, Wbc, Nsac ruling this sport like mafias.
     
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    :llorona:
     
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    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Conte and Heredia are two vile creatures that shloud have been banned and no more involvement in sports at all.Again boxing is not serious about Peds very dissapointing indeed.
     
  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Wasn't Canelo vindicated from a hair follicle test? Or is that dismissed as a gesture embracing the big money you speak of? (Which, incidentally, I don't agree with you're greater point - money typically wins the day, in sports, in politics, and in life).
     
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    M.3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What I don't get is did he know that the hair test wouldn't be conclusive? Did he do the test hoping it would be an error because of it worked, he'd be busted even worse than if he just didn't even bother with it.. Him actually trying to clear his name by taking whatever test he could should have some weight...
     
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    Why don’t they just come out stop with this cleaning the sport BS and come out clean clen.If you are protected by big pockets you can cheat at will.Why not just allow everyone to ped up.This is of those things in the drug world where druggies are protected.The problem will continue.
     
  12. IsaL

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    I think you may be to emotional to be able to have a proper discussion regarding this topic, but I will give it a shot.

    Cheat at will?

    Did Canelo not take a hair follicle test? Is he not enrolled in VADAs 365 program? Did he not pass 2-3 tests soon after the failed test?
     
  13. PIPO23

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    Hahaha he has to do all this cheating to beat GGG.
     
  14. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    The State Commissions are todays answer to the Mob & Mafia of the 50's. Only difference is the Commissions have no one policing them. So they have carte blanche to do as they please & do not have to hide it
     
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    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Thje hair follicle test result was not NEGATIVE it was
    INCONCLUSIVE!! Which to Clenelo's fans is negative but to everyone else its INCONCLUSIVE in other words UNRELIABLE. The other two tests were POSITIVE tho so there is no doubt Clenelo is a juicer
     
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