I see a 75-76 ron lyle giving joe louis a dangerous fight

Of course that could happen.
But its no 10/10 KO1 nonsense like Mister Grain postulated. It´s on film that it wasn´t that hard to hurt Louis. The guys he got hurt by were just not in the class to fisning the job.

 

The flip side is that Lyles era may not have been the greatest heavyweight era.

Lyle wasn't the only man in history that "could" put Foreman down twice, "did" is the word you are looking for. Alternatively if Foreman wasn't counted out vs Ali little doubt the great man would have sat him down again.

Shavers all but ko'd Lyle, the bell almost definitely saved him.
Shaver brutalized Ellis.
Ali was WAYYYY past it.
Many won a gold medal.
"Probably" would have destroyed Norton is mere speculation.

Your post is ridiculously biased toward Lyle.

 

Wasn't hard to hurt Louis? How many fights out of 60+ was he hurt in? How many did he actually lose?

Louis is a massive favorite in this fight. Every chance he brutalizes Lyle tbh.

 

Buddy Baer and Carnera were both highly ranked and bigger than any world class opponent Lyle beat
Thats a fact not opinion. Lyles wins over top ranked foes include Larry Middleton 210 and 205, Bonavena 207, Earnie Shavers 206, and Bugner 229. Of his victims only Bugner was over 210. Ali and Foreman were heavier but he lost those fights.

 

Also a 201 pound Jimmy Young and 200 pound Quarry easily beat Lyle. Clearly you didnt have to be a big man to beat Lyle as demonstrated by him losing to guys who be cruiserweights today.

 

Also if Lyles era is so good how did a shot Ali cling to the title for years? I dont find the post Zaire Ali very impressive he seems easy to hit and frequently out of shape. And then Leon Spinks a 7 fight novice who was bombed out in one round by Coetzee becomes champ. This is supposed to be a great era sorry i cant see it.

 

The 70's heavyweight division, in general, is overrated. It's status is directly related to the influence ofthe Cult of Ali.

With Lyle, it's a matter of styles. He could definitely be outskilled and outcuted by high level operators in that fashion. But if you try to get in a brawl with him, you are rolling the dice. Louis didn't fight like Quarry or Young or even an aged Ali. There is a window there for Lyle, albeit small. Lesser fighters and lesser athletes troubled him.

 

Talking with you is like talking with a wall

 

Hahahahh and you had the balls to call any comment "biased" you could not find a ****ing post more biased than this one from you

 

I don't see anything to indicate Lyle would have a good shot against Schmelling or Walcott. The Foreman fight seems to be the only thing indicating Lyle is a puncher, beyond that there really isn't anything. Walcott would also have a good shot at beating Foreman, he's not a come-forward brawler and his style doesn't really seem to play into Foreman's strengths.

 

Were talking about a guy who came up short not just against legends but guys like Quarry and Young. This does not bode at all well for his chances against Schmelling or Walcott let alone someone like Joe Louis.

 

Lmao

 

Jimmy Young pulled it off

 

Frankly if Lyle hadn't fought in the 70s I doubt he enjoys the reputation he does among some of the older members on the board.

 

He'd be viewed more as the Luis Angel Firpo of his era (which is the way many younger fans actually view him) as opposed to boomers for whom he is a H2H monster who somehow lost to Young and Quarry despite all his supposed prowess.