I see a 75-76 ron lyle giving joe louis a dangerous fight

I definitely agree that eras are not always equal, the 70s would likely easily beat the guys of Johnson's era or Jeffries era or Fitzsimmons era, etc. But the 1930s and 1940s had guys like Loughran, Schmelling, Sharkey, Walcott, Charles who seem to possess boxing skills comparable to what we see in the 1970s.

 

For example we see good combination punching, head movement, decent footwork, etc. They werent throwing one punch and then falling into a clinch and mauling each other.

 

Some may even say he was better

 

Opening up a can of worms there aren't you?

 

Not really, I mean a big reason Foreman is favored over guys like Dempsey and Marciano is because he is bigger, stronger and perceived as a more devastating puncher than either of them and with a chin tested against bigger men that are presumably more powerful. With Joshua its the reverse, Foreman is the smaller man who fought smaller guys in an era of smaller men and is totally untested against capable men at 240+. I am basically using the same logic that Foreman fans use who favor him over Dempsey and Marciano, its pretty simple really.

 

I note you couldn't refute any of it.

 

Again, nothing you can refute?

Where is the bias? You can't tell me how many fights in 60+ he was hurt in and how many he lost?

Louis wouldn't be a massive favorite? Of course he would be.

And yes there's every chance he brutalizes Lyle early. He's a better boxer with more skills and is much sharper. He also has incredible power. Lyle could be rolled early as shown by Foreman, and it was a slower starting more measured Foreman post Ali. Louis is a much much sharper puncher than George. George has that immense clubbing type power whilst Louis' is like lightning. I can see Louis at his greatest countering Lyle from the get go and stopping him inside 5.

Sorry mate that's just the way i see it. I don't think history overly refutes this possibility.

 

Lyle was an athletic, big man, Louis didn't have the type of movement or quickness to make Lyle look like "some big klutz with two left feet." If Joe Louis made some people look like "some big klutz with two left feet,' it's probably because that is what they were. The big heavyweights of Louis' time are not impressive.

Lyle stopped Jack O'Halloran (6-6, 254) in four rounds, O'Halloran was not a great fighter, but on video he looks at least as good as the big heavyweights that Joe Louis fought. That includes Baer (either of them), Carnera, and Simon.

It is difficult to determine how good Joe Louis was because his best competition was people he fought when he was past his prime (Charles,Walcott,Marciano). He went 2-2 against them.

I do agree that the 70s heavyweights are overrated, to me they were just better than most of what came before them. They are not better than the good ones that followed.

 

Joshua has been as heavy as 254 and frequently weighs in the 240s. Foreman in the 70s never weighwd over 231 thats a big gap. Measurements and visual evidence point to Joshua being much much bigger. Foremans measurements are pretty normal for someone weighing 220

 

Were also analyzing them as they actually existed not a hypothetial Foreman on weights. If Foreman didnt use weights in he 70s you dont get to use a hypothetical version thats bulked up. Foreman was as light as 212 as a pro thats lighter than Joshua ever was.

 

Uh yes you can. We know for a fact he weighed as much as 230 as a teenager in the amateurs without lifting weights and cut weight to dry out on horrible advice from his trainers.

When foreman made his comeback he lost a lot of the grandpa fat then gained lots of solid socky muscle lifting weights, pulling trucks, etc and we saw with our own eyes how his body developed and grew with weights. Not that hard to guess a huge stocky naturally 220-230 pound guy would easily be 240+ lbs of solid muscle with weights and supplements lol. Ive seen scrawny 150 pound teenagers in high school who became 185-205 pound shredded monsters before graduating or in their early years of college.

As for the thread, obviously joe should be favored and would win at least 6-7/10, but people arguing that hed "easily" beat lyle like another day in the office are exaggerating and i highly doubt he stops him earlier than round 3. Its also equally ridiculous to suggest lyle steamrolls him outside of a punchers chance and doesnt have to work his ass off for the win. Lyle would struggle win or lose due to Joe's sharp powerful jab, devastating accuracy, crisp combinations, high ring iq, and experience.

 

Comeback Foreman has much more bodyfat than young Foremam he wasnt ripped in his comeback like he was in his prime. In any case at 230 he is still the smaller man and is totally unproven against skilled big men. He never beat a skilled 240 plus heavyweight like Joshua has.