[RING, June 1962] What Happened to Body Punching? By Paul Berlenbach

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mrkoolkevin, Jun 23, 2018.


  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

    18,440
    9,587
    Jan 30, 2014
    Oldtimer gripes about the diminished skills, patience, and dedication of more recent fighters... Some interesting quotes though. Pardon any typos.

    What Happened to Body Punching? By Paul Berlenbach (as told to Lew Eskin) (pp. 30-31, 48)

    … “You can’t drive a spike with a tack hammer. It takes the right tools and the correct leverage to send a heavy spike through a solid plank of wood. In the same way it takes the proper use of the back muscles to get the needed force into body blows to do real damage.

    “Today this is a lost art among the fighters. That is a question that has often been asked of me and one that I have asked myself many times watching the inept body attacks used by the present day ringmen.”

    “For one thing,” said Paul, “the fighter today does not spend as much time as he should in the gym learning his trade. He does not spend hours pounding away at the big sand bag, as we oldtimers used to do. It is my belief hat it is on the sand bag that a fighter learns how to properly deliver his blows. According to Berlenbach, the present day fighter works one or two rounds on the big bag and lets it go at that, whereas when he fought the man spent hours pounding away at the sand bag.

    “Practice makes perfect,” says Paul, “but today’s boxer doesn’t get enough practice. In the old days, few fighters reached the main bout class until they had three or four years experience as a preliminary boy, but today most main bout boxers have had less than twenty fights. In my day that was less than a year’s activity.

    “True, I reached the top quickly. Sometimes I think in looking back, too quickly. I had a reputation from my days as an amateur wrestler and boxer and in my eleventh fight, I was matched with Jack Delaney in the first of our four fights. That was the only bout I lost before winning the title from Mike McTigue.

    “As I said I reached the top quickly, I scored twenty-three knockouts in my first twenty-eight fights. Most of them with body punches either finishing off my opponents, or setting them up for the finisher.

    You might say that my career was similar to that of today’s fighter in the short time it took me to reach the top. This is true—yet untrue.

    “I spent long hours in the gym and had many, many amateur fights before turning pro. In watching todays’ fighters in action, I often notice that they have the wrong stance to be effective with their body blows.

    “They stand squarely in front of their opponent,” he said “and when they punch to the body, it is with quick flurries of blows. True they land and are thrown much faster than I and other oldtimers used to throw our blows. But think, when was the last time you saw a man, either knocked down or out with a punch to the body?

    Today’s fighters are arm punchers,” he declares. Paul says they swing with their arms, and do not get the proper leverage needed to deliver a real powerful punch. Not only with body punching is this true, he pounded out. That is why there are so few one punch knockouts . His opinion is that most of today’s kayos come after a flurry of punches. ”I was taught never to stand full face with an opponent,” he continued. “One should stand at an angle so that he can get full leverage behind his punches as I did. I punched with my whole body behind my blows. Most of the fighters of my time, and before, did the same.

    “I have heard the story that today’s fighters eat better and are better conditioned. That is why they take body punches better. That is a lot of bunk. The old timers all did heavy labor even as kids. We might have been smaller but we were a lot tougher than the boxers of today.”

    In order to get power in body punches, Berlenbach says one has to dig in, not only with his feet, but with arms and body, Today’s approach he declares different. The fighters train different. They do not learn proper procedure. Paul went on:

    “Watching fights and fighters since I retired thirty-odd years ago, I have seen few real good body punchers and of those, most have been either southpaws or converted southpaws, who made good use of the left hooks.

    While Rocky Marciano did a lot of damage with his body blows, he was more of a mauler. He used strength, not sharp power to wear his man down. The same was true of Henry Armstrong, and of the present men, Bobo Olson, Gene Fullmer, Tony DeMarco, and Carmen Basilio who could inflict damage with body blows. But they were left hookers.”

    Ray Robinson, a truly great fighter, also was a punishing body puncher, but Ray rarely relied on this type of attack, said Paul.

    “Back before my time there were many great body punchers—Ad Wolgast, Kid McCoy, Battling Nelson, Bob Fitzsimmons, with his “solar-plexus punch”, “Nonpariel” Jack Dempsey, Jim Jeffries, Stanley Ketchel—all were capable of knocking out their foes with a smash to the body.”

    Today’s boxers are faster afoot and with their hands, like Floyd Patterson, he pounded out. He thinks they have sacrified power for speed, the reverse of baseball, where the hit and run has been replaced by the home run.

    “Many times over the years, I have showed youngsters my ideas on body punching,” Paul continued. They would listen then try out what I had shown them on the heavy bag. By they quickly tired, when they saw the long hours of practice that was necessary to master the art.

    “When I was a fighter we did not tire of gym work. There was little to do in the evening—no radio or television, no cars to drive around like today. So we enjoyed staying in the gym, listening to the takes of the oldtimers and learning our trade.”

    It is his opinion that modern fighters have too many distractions. They rush into to the gym, rush through their workouts and rush out again.

    “Like the people I meet on the street, rush, rush, rush. No time to learn, too big a hurry to reach the top. Like I said before, I too was rushed, and I know if I had taken me longer to reach my goal, say another year or two, with about twenty more fights under my belt, I might have stayed on the throne longer than I did. I think this rush is one reason why the reign of the champions is becoming shorter and shorter with each passing year, continued the former title holder.

    “Long, long before I laced on my first pair of boxing gloves, Sam Langford was quoted as having said “Kill the Body and the Head Dies” he continued.

    “Old Sam knew what he was taking about. When you knock a man down with a head punch, he may be hurt, but he still has his strength. He is dangerous. Knock him down with a body blow and you sap the strength out of him.

    “That was a rule of my day. Punch to the body. Today they still aim at the body but miss their marks. They throw plenty of body blows but the punches lack steam. The art of infighting is also being lost along with the art of body punching.

    “Maybe this is progress. Maybe I am getting to the age where I long for the Good Old Days. But I can’t see it that way. To me body punching was a true form of art in the pugilistic trade.
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2018
  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

    53,105
    45,120
    Apr 27, 2005
    That's a great read.
     
    RockyJim and mrkoolkevin like this.
  3. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,187
    1,302
    Mar 20, 2013
    He's right
     
    RockyJim and Reason123 like this.
  4. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

    16,379
    15,509
    Jun 9, 2007
    The strait rt hand to the body ala Tony Zale has pretty much disappeared.
    The Punches delivered to the heart area that I read about in books about the likes of Fitz and Dempsey to name two are no longer used at all.
    It's all about the left hook to the body for decades now
     
  5. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,706
    4,258
    Jun 20, 2017
    That guy was like a lot of old timers, everything was better when he was young. In 30 years, today's boxers will be telling anyone who will listen how much tougher they were in 2018 and how much harder they trained, and the reality will be that the boxers and athletes will still be getting better...

    Body punching is still around. I see plenty of fighters getting hurt from liver shots and spleen shots too. I saw a guy dropped multiple times by body shots on Friday, don't know why anybody would think that fighters don't go to the body anymore. Maybe boxers today are more aware of the damage from body shots, the guy who was dropped on Friday said he'd "just as soon get hit in the nuts as take a liver shot." Getting hit to the body will convince anybody that going to the body is a big part of boxing.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    62,125
    47,094
    Feb 11, 2005
    Great read! You can hear his cane wagging at supersonic speed!

    What would he have thought of the Ali a d post Ali generations?
     
  7. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

    1,113
    270
    Jul 27, 2015
    Always interesting to read those old warriors perspective's on things.
     
    Seamus likes this.
  8. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

    30,377
    37,233
    Jul 24, 2004
    Lots of bitching and moaning from an old guy. So what's new? Every thing was better in the old days including tuberculosis, polio, small pox and horse poop in the street.

    No one throws punches to the body? Old Paul never saw a Mexican fight I guess.

    He was correct about at least one thing...some boxers , especially at HW, are arm punchers.
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta likes this.
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    62,125
    47,094
    Feb 11, 2005
    Berlenbach deserves much respect.

    Firstly, he was shredded. And that is muy importante.

    Secondly, he made the US Olypmic wrestling team. Can you imagine what an MMA guy he would have made?

    And remember, dude was shredded. Nothing trumps that.
     
  10. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

    5,560
    7,175
    Aug 17, 2011
    He makes several points that are very relevant today. Guys fight so squared up that two things happen. First, you don't get full body turn on any punches. Second, it kills inside fighting. This traces in a straight line back to the success of Mike Tyson and people trying to copy his style.

    This happens all the time in boxing; somebody has success and everyone copies them and each copy takes a step further away from effectiveness and technical accuracy. And being squared up is not the optimal way to generate force.

    What you see a lot now is guys throwing the left hook and the weight staying on the left foot. Bad, bad, bad. First, if you step in with the left foot but don't move the right foot, you are reaching with the punch. It used to be "don't reach, move your feet" but you don't see that any more, they all reach. Second, if you aren't turning
    your weight through the hook- the weight going back to the right foot- you end up throwing a wide slapping punch. You may slap hard but you limit what can be done by not doing it right.

    You can make anything work if you do it over and over again until you get good at doing it wrong. And if you train and get very strong, it hurts and does damage when you land even if you are just swinging your arms. This happens all the time in boxing. The saying " if it works you're doing it right" leaves a lot of wiggle room for lack of attention to detail and laziness.
     
  11. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,706
    4,258
    Jun 20, 2017
    yep, if a fighter throws a left hook and the weight stays on the front foot, it's just a jab with a bent arm. Some do imitate (or think they do) Mike Tyson just like so many imitated (or thought they did) Ali in the 70s and 80s. A lot of people we see are trying to imitate FMJ and his defense now...we tell them to learn the basics, learn to do everything "right," then they can use a "style" that suits them.

    FMJ has been boxing since he was a baby, lots of guys like him who have boxed for so long almost have a "see into the future" defense. He knows where a punch is coming from before the person who throws it knows. Tyson, Ali, and FMJ all were well schooled and all could do everything in boxing exactly as it should be done when they wanted to. Just because their "style" was different at times, doesn't mean that a novice can do the same thing.
     
    mrkoolkevin and greynotsoold like this.
  12. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    55,255
    10,355
    Jun 29, 2007
    A good read. Nobody likes taking body shots, so why did it decline for a while?

    Just a quick theory, the quick and skilled types for whatever reason from 1960 - 2000 did not seem to go to the body as often. They prefer to win on the outside and with fleet feet engaged where they pleased more often than not, preventing body shots.

    The punch seems to suit the moderate speed / durable types such as JC Chavez, Hopkins, Chavalo, etc.. There are some exceptions, Norton was fast handed and not very durable, but he had a top body attack.

    Today we are seeing body punching make a comeback. Lomachenko, Golovkin, Crawford and to an extent Joshua.

    The top food chained ranked fighters at their weight going to the body. I think Paul Berlenbach would approve.
     
  13. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

    16,466
    11,911
    Sep 21, 2017
    He would have thought Ali sucked. Probably would have oointed out all his flaws. And then told us how Jim Jefferies or Jim Corbett would have promptly and with much haste annihilated him.
     
    JoffJoff, Seamus and Pat M like this.
  14. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

    30,377
    37,233
    Jul 24, 2004
    Well, Ali never threw a body shot that I can tell. Never. Always went to the head, and had a twisting sort of punch that cut guys up. And EVERYBODY imitated Ali in the 70's and 80's.
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,801
    29,238
    Jun 2, 2006
    Oom Paul!I agree with his comments particularly about Marciano.