Eddie Mustafa Muhammad vs Marvin Johnson

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  1. JohnThomas1

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    The weight loss affected him noticeably. Eddie gassed midway thru and it was from the weight loss. He had no history of poor stamina and it wasn't a fast paced fight.

    Two things beat Eddie that night - the weight loss and the woefully swollen left eye which was very likely from an elbow or thumb from memory. The eye blew up around the time he started to tire. He never saw the booming right that dropped him as by that stage the eye was shut. Eddie had to be extremely careful as Spinks right hand was akin to a nuclear missile (much like Eddie's own right hand) and he was struggling to see it.

    For the first handful of rounds Eddie was comprehensively outboxing Spinks before fatigue and the eye came into play. Spinks was always going to come on late but a fit and unmarked Mustafa would have handled him imo.
     
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  2. he grant

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    I completely agree .. at the time he was known as the most talented guy who under fought .. I still don't know how he lost to Galindez or Scott .. I don't know how he did not come back after the los to Spinks and at least have a monster rematch .. he just didn't have that fire on scale to match his talent.

    Look how terrific he still looked in 82 fighting Mwale ..

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  3. JohnThomas1

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    He's a natural and look at that power. He got too hesitant against the excellent Galindez and took it too easy at a time when he needed to accelerate from memory. I think it was still pretty close tho from memory.
     
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  4. Russell

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    Very, very high raise for Eddie around here, that I can't ever recall quite seeing before. I guess his stock has risen in the past several years. Even the instantly lovable and unforgettable "Miracle" Matthew doesn't get that kind of credit on these boards, despite plenty of excellent performances against some of the same fighters, like Mwale, whom Matthew also nearly killed with a single punch.
     
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  5. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You guys underrate Spinks' boxing ability. Also, if Eddie had stayed at middleweight, could he have handled Hagler and Valdez?
     
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  6. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eddie underachieved. No excuse for blowing a chance at a rematch with Spinks. He was more talented and better schooled than Saad but lacked certain intangibles. Saad overachieved.
     
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  7. red cobra

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    Thanks he grant,...I always enjoy seeing this fight, and that deadly, casual way that Eddie put poor Lotte away.
     
  8. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Russell, all I can say is that Eddie Mustafa was special...not as lovable as Matthew Saad, but IMO, a very special talent, (just see his title winning bout with Marvin johnson and that defense vs Jerry "The Bull" Martin)...but oh so undisciplined...and with terrible career judgement, specifically with that pointless, stupid-ass waste of time vs Renaldo Snipes which negated all that special talent ultimately.
     
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  9. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'd love to speculate on your question, but my mind can't even begin to process it.
     
  10. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    How good was Lotte anyway? A fighter I've never been able to get a good grip on.

    A nice looking record on paper but he seemed to lose every time he seriously stepped up and out of his comfort zone...
     
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    Poor Lotte...don't know just how good he was, but I do know that he had the terrible, abysmal career misfortune of having both Eddie Mustafa and Matthew Saad as his lightheavy contemporaries. It's a wonder he didn't die years earlier than he actually did after sampling the power of these two.
     
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  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    He was placed into a completely different zone by Eddie and Matthew.
     
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  13. red cobra

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    Eddie himself once said that he "just wasn't quite ready for a Victor Galindez"...and maybe he wasn't, but he came so damned close. It was an interesting fight, which I saw on live tv back then. I was always a Galindez fan. His back to the ropes counterpunching was just magnificent...and he was soooo good at wailing away with those counters all through a 15 rounder, and I ate that up with a rusty spoon, believe you me...I enjoyed those 15 rounders. In the 5th, I believe it was, Eddie looked like he was close to an early upset, as he seemed to hurt Victor with a body punch, but the champion immediately landed a right hand counter and decked Eddie. I think this made EM a bit reluctant to engage Galindez....but he gradually got back into the the fight, and if it were not for some low blows in the last few rounds that he got docked for, he may have taken that title from Victor IMO.
     
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  14. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I always thought with Eddie, he needed to be James Scott. Doing the prison sentence and just spending his time training. Zero distractions and becoming a better student of the game. Constantly training. He had the physical tools. That's really what James Scott brought to the table was that terrific conditioning. Terrific conditioning is not a term associated with EMM.

    Man, was that a bad fight for him. I'm sure Eddie thought he'd go in there and clip the guy and it'd be over.

    And I think Eddie took that shot at Snipes because of the talk of a Holmes fight. There's a decision bout for you and EMM is not going to win many rounds when the other guy is moving laterally throwing a ton of jabs.
     
  15. Saad54

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    He did decision Marvin Johnson in 1978, although I have heard it was a questionable verdict.

    He was a legitimate top 10 contender. He just happened to run into two exceptional fighters in Saad and Mustafa.