Reason why no SRR vs Basilio #3.

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  1. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Reason why no SRR vs Basilio #3.

    "Carmen Basilio, who also held the welterweight and middleweight titles, fought Robinson twice, in what he refers to as ''two 15-round wars.''

    The first time the two met, on Sept. 23, 1957, Basilio was the welterweight champion and Robinson the middleweight titleholder. Basilio won a 15-round split decision and Robinson's crown. In March 1958, Robinson won the rematch, also by a split decison.

    ''There was no love between him and I,'' Basilio said. ''Not then. Because for the first fight, he wanted me to take 10 percent of the gate and he'd get 50 percent. It was usually 20-40 when a champion defended his title, as Robinson was doing. I insisted, 'If I don't get 20 percent, there will be no fight.' I hung on long enough and I got the 20 percent.''

    Brutal Rematch:

    The second Robinson-Basilio fight was a brutal and dramatic match. From the sixth round on, Basilio's left eye was swollen shut, yet he gallantly kept punching. At the end, the 37-year-old Robinson was exhausted.

    The competitive quality of the bout made Robinson-Basilio III a natural. But the match was never made, largely because Robinson -usually a shrewd negotiator -miscalculated, as Harry Markson, a past head of Madison Square Garden Boxing, recalled.

    ''When Ray Robinson was a challenger for a title shot,'' said Markson, ''he was a perfect gentleman. Easy to do business with and reasonable. When he was champion, he was an altogether different character. He had an idea of his worth and he used it to the full, and then some.

    ''But in discussing that potential third match against Basilio, Ray made a mistake. My original offer was a guarantee of $350,000 and, as time and negotiations went on, I raised it to $500,000. Which was enormous money for middleweights in those days. I brought our matchmaker, Teddy Brenner, and others in to persuade Ray to take the $500,000. No luck. I even had Admiral John Bergen, the chairman of the board of Madison Square Garden, come in for one meeting.

    ''Bergen and Ray got along swimmingly. The Admiral was fluent in French, and in his various tours of France, Ray had learned to talk a competent French. So he and the Admiral chatted in French. But even so, Ray wouldn't budge on the money. He said he could get $750,000 from another promoter.

    ''But it turned out he couldn't. And, eventually, when Basilio, who heard about Ray's demands, began asking for big money too, the fight fell away. Long afterward, Ray admitted to me: 'I made a mistake. I wished I'd have taken that $500,000.' '' "

    https://www.nytimes.com/1989/04/14/sports/tough-in-or-out-of-ring.html
     
  2. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Ray didn't want a third according to Basilio
     
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  3. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1957:
    Fullmer (1/02/57)
    Fullmer (5/01/57)
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    Basilio (9/23/57)
    1958:
    Basilio (3/25/58)
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    1959:
    Bob Young over MW limit fight (12/14/59)
    This was Robinson's first fight after a 20-month layoff. He had been stripped of the National Boxing Association middleweight title for inactivity. He was then recognized as World Middleweight Champion only by Massachusetts, New York, and The Ring.
    1959-12-14 : Sugar Ray Robinson 161 lbs beat Bob Young 167¼ lbs by KO at 1:18 in round 2 of 10
    • Location: Boston Garden, Boston, Massachusetts, USA
    • Referee: Eddie Bradley
     
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  4. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I swear LH, you do these statistical, "historical facts" posts so well.
     
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  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I love em !
     
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  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I once read an article on this very subject and it mentioned the MSG offer of 500K, but then it mentioned he had offers from Rome (because of the Basilio/Italian connection) and from Paris. One of which was for 750K, just like the NY Times article alluded to. But the article I read went one further. It stated, while he was hemming and hawing, his manager George Gainford said to him exhaustingly, "Ray, how much do you want?" Ray looked at him and said the magical words, "1,000,000 dollars!" MSG pulled their offer and Europe pulled their offers too. He ended up losing his title to Paul Pender for $50,000.
     
  7. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    He had to support his famous "entourage" you know.