Calzaghe vs Ward break down of strengths? Very even across board

why did you make the comparison then?

you've written it word for word in the quote. if you want to stick to LHW, dont write fighters who arent.

on the topic that you wrent addressing in that post - about LHW legacy, two number one opponent LHW wins trumps 40something hopkins and shot jones easily. vastly.

 

I made the comparison because generally that is what you do when you compare fighters....are you saying Brand and Smith jr are better victories at 175 that RJJ, even at that stage I his career?

Are You?

Beating Barrerra doesn't trump a Hopkins victory at all. Hopkins went another 4 years worth of victories after that and also beat Murat 2 years before Barrerra did which was his best win bar a shot Lacy.

It was a good win but don't try to make Barrerra into something he isn't and never was.

Also why do you discredit Calzaghes victory over Hopkins when Kovalevs best win to date is over the exact same fighter?

Why?

 

why dont you quote me where I said that before asking, or else you leave yourself exposed to attempting to put words in my mouth in some desperate attempt to win a fictitious argument of your own making.

As I quoted you when you said you werent comparing smith n brand to jones n hopkins (which was either a joke or a lie from you since you blatantly were by direct quote comparing them)

 

what has beating barrera got to do with winning two bouts vs number 1 LHW?
I've not mentioned him, its you talking about him.

BY mentioning Barrera you are trying to create an argument noones having with you, so you can win it, is that it? again!

i dont, its a win over a fortysomething for both of them, fact.

why you trying to invent a claim again? Are you really tht unable to deal with the arguments levelled at you that you run from them and create your own ones to win?

 

Well how would you compare resumes without comparing their respective opponents?

How do you do it?

 

Well okay then, what had Kovalev done to warrant the "monster" TAG people have him?

Also Hopkins was the number 1 175 at the time Calzaghe beat him? Why is Ward beating Kovalev as the number 1 deemed better?

And again you are attempting to highjack a post/conversation and once again turn it into a troll thread. The initial post is said poster claiming Wards resume at 175is vastly better, again comparing resumes kid.

 

How was he clearly the better, more special fighter?

 

I think it would have been very intriguing.

I think it would have played out like the Hopkins fight.

 

Beating Kovalev twice trumps beating Bernard and Roy.

 

Why?

Regarding RJJ, totally agree but why Hopkins?

 

The above is more than possible, but we can't just assume that Joe would have swarmed him and unloaded with volume.

This is what a lot of people think would have happened had he have fought Roy earlier. But I don't know. Joe never fought a great fighter who was in his prime. Maybe he'd have been more cagey and not thrown as many punches as he normally did. We don't know. For all of his talent, we know that he had questionable confidence and ambition.

 

Joe scraped by a 43 year old version of Bernard on workrate, who offered no physical threat. All of the cleaner, more effective work came from Bernard, but he just wasn't fit enough to keep up with Joe's workrate. He wasn't outboxed, he was out worked. Out worked by a guy who concentrated more on volume rather than accuracy.

Andre fought a LHW who was in the prime of his life, who was a huge puncher, and who presented him with a huge physical threat. It was a very dangerous fight for him, especially as he wasn't a puncher himself. And Andre systematically broke him down both physically and mentally.

It really doesn't matter that Kovalev's best win was a guy who Joe had already beaten. It's not as simple as that. You have to analyse the magnitude of each fight, the degree of difficulty etc.

Basically, Andre fought a younger, more powerful opponent, who presented a more dangerous and tougher challenge than the opponent that Joe fought.

 

Ha!

It's frightening.

 

But Hopkins then went onto be undefeated for the next 4 years, again beating Pascal and drawing with him in a fight I thought he won.

Plus Hopkins at 43 was still good enough to be top 3 P4P ranked and was coming off the big Tarver victory.

As for Kovalev, I'm a fan but he was robbed in the first Ward fight and blew the rematch. But besides Ward who's he faced to argue that he's better than the version of Hopkins that Joe beat?

Also prior to the Ward fight Kovalev looked pedestrian and 1 dimensional in the Chilemba fight and also since in the Mikahalin fight.

You are basing the Ward achievement on a guy who besides a 49yo Hopkins was himself up against his best opponent in Ward.