Best LH champ SRR beats

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As we all know, Sugar Ray Robinson fell short of adding to his considerable legend and legacy when he succombed to the horrific heat in losing to Joey Maxim.

    He never took another shot at the 175 crown (nor was he built to physically compete at that weight) ... but who do you figure is the best light heavyweight champ he would beat?

    Most figure he beats Maxim had temperatures not soared so high that the referee even fell out and had to be replaced. Is the pedestrian Maxim his ceiling at 175 or could he have bested someone better? If so, who’s the tops he could top at the weight?
     
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    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    poor ref .. wasn't it over a 100 and humid
     
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    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maxim was subject to the same heat. Why would he have won had it been cooler?
     
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    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    • The temperature on the night of the fight was 103 degrees. Referee Ruby Goldstein, overcome by the heat, was replaced by Ray Miller after the tenth round.
    • Robinson, suffering from heat exhaustion and Maxim's harder punches, was unable to come out for the 14th round. It was the only time Robinson was stopped in 200 professional fights.
    • At the time of the stoppage, Robinson led by scores of 10-3, 9-3-1 and 7-3-3. The Associated Press had Robinson ahead 9-3-1, and the United Press had him in front 10-2-1.

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    • Joey Maxim: "I was way behind, and I knew it. But I also knew I had him if I didn't run out of rounds."
    • Jack Kearns (Maxim's manager): "The heat talk is an alibi and excuse. Robinson was nailed good in the belly in the tenth round and again in the twelfth and he got a left hook and a right to the head at the end of the thirteenth, when he was on the ropes. If the bell hadn't a rang he'd be dead. It was the way we planned it. We had Joey lay back and let Robinson punch himself out."
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    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jose Torres...or those lesser champs of the late 70's when the real champs retired and the ABC's had box-offs for the titles.
     
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    Would make him a prohibitive favorite over Mike Rossman, for whatever that’s worth.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    So hard to pick due to the weight differential. We know that he fought at just 157 1/2 when he did actually fight for the title. We can safely assume that is close to what he would fight at obviously.

    If we call it at 12 rounds he'd probably beat a few more than over 15. It's a lot of weight to give up. We do know however that he was totally schooling Maxim while it lasted and imo without the heat it's likely Maxim would not have beat him even if he went harder.

    Really physical guys would be tough. I'd like to see how much power he'd have carried.
     
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    Because being the smaller guy he had to work Much harder amd keep moving
     
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    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Willie Pastrano
     
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    What? It is pretty evident that you will tire more under a hot weather.
    And not, it is not even similar or close the smaller guy spends much more energy being alert all the fight
     
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    Yes..
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    No...Pastrano's style would have been all wrong for Ray.
     
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    Slobodan Kacar, Bob Olin, maybe Marvin Johnson, Mike Rossman, ....
     
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    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    disagree strongly

    Pastrano was dominated by Jose Torres whom you describe as vastly overrated

    It’s the perfect matchup for Robinson. A shorter, boxer type with no power. Robinson would have trouble with long armed big men who could swarm and hit really hard. Not shorter outside boxers with no pop


    Pastrano was slick but he ain’t outboxing Robinson and he’s not knocking him out
     
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    Ray constantly threw punches and moved, that`s just the way he fought.