Joe Louis Gets A Pass For J H Lewis. Jack Dempsey Gets Ripped For Miske

The version I'd heard was it was for one last Christmas. Someone really should make a movie about it. It's not like holywood has a problem with spreading misconceptions even if it is a myth.

 

"Tepid " victories over Greb, Wills, Firpo, Gibbons, Norfolk. !?!. Yes I know Greb had ONLY 1 working eye at the time, but FFS all these names taken together on his record outshine GGG, Mayweather, Ward and others.

It is illogical to say "Dempsey ducked Wills" and also "Wills was a tepid victory on Miskes record". Complete contradiction.

 

This. I don't begrudge Dempsey picking and choosing his opponents, but he should have fought more times. Making $1000000/year outside the ring is no excuse.

 

Winner.

 

That's reasonable and can be seen as inexcusable

 

I’ll say what others have said. Louis fought defense after defense and against several number 1 contenders while Dempsey never fought his number 1 or number 2 contender and put the title on ice for several years.

So essentially, Louis squeezing in a defense against Lewis is forgiveable when he already cleaned out his top contenders, while Dempsey defended against Miske while Wills was still waiting in line

 

You should breudge Dempsey for choosing Miske, Brennan, Gibbons, Carpenter and Fipro over Wills and Greb. Inexcusable.

 

Illogical response. Miske beat 4 of the 6 men you mentioned. He was totally a totally reasonable opponent AT THE TIME. Not saying Dempsey should not have fought Wills and Greb, but Miske should and did deserve a bout before those guys.

 

A million dollars a year almost 100 years ago would be a mega fortune in today's dollars. Absurdly rich. A million dollars a year today would be considered wealthy

 

Soft defenses like this one:

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I think your being illogical here by claiming Miske was a reasonable defense despite wills and Greb still waiting their turn. He wasn’t reasonable at all over Wills or Greb which we agree on.

None of those men I listed were even close to Wills or Greb with the exception of Gibbons, and Gibbons got his rear kicked in an eliminator by Greb.

A dying Miske was a pathetic opponent for a title defense when Greb and Wills still haven’t received their shots yet.

 

What four of the six did he beat to get a title shot and when. Dont give me some bull**** argument that because he beat Brennan several years later that it justifies his title shot before. Dont give me some bull**** answer that because he got a very controversial DQ win over Gibbons several years later after losing every round of the fight that it justifies his title shot several years earlier. If anyone today got a title shot based off one win over a total bum in their last five fights and after having laid off a year due to severe health issues people would be absolutely livid. Why does Dempsey get a pass? Especially when you consider that the title had been placed on the line exactly 3 times in the previous FIVE years. Its ridiculous. When Billy Miske beat Bill Brennan Brennan was coming fresh off two consecutive losses to Greb in the previous two months. Then Miske draws with Brennan then Greb beats Brennan twice again. Greb had beaten Miske prior to that, and had beaten Gibbons, who Miske could do no better than earn a draw against, and had never lost to Levinsky which Miske did in convincing fashion in the run up to Dempsey. So tell me exactly how Miske was an acceptable challenge?? Likewise with Brennan? Brennan loses four fights to Greb, loses and draws a fight with a guy Greb beat, and then gets a title shot by beating and drawing with guys like Roper, Madden, Petroskey, Walker, Allen, Meehan, and Ashe, all guys Greb had already beaten. So Greb had beaten the best guys Brennan ran up his record against to fight Dempsey and had beaten the guys Brennan was drawing with and losing to and had beaten Brennan four times himself. No. Brennan was not an acceptable defense when your last defense had just been a complete setup in Miske. Care to keep going? Take a look at who Gibbons beat to get a title shot between losing to Greb in the eliminator and fighting Dempsey. The best names he beat were: Miske, Ashe, and Wiggins. Between losing his the 10 rounder to Greb and the elimination to Greb he somehow fought his way into HW title contention with wins over: Turner, Meehan, Wiggins, Walker, Korner, Williams, Jones, and Madden... Those were the best names he fought in that period. Any of those names ring a bell? Here, let me help: Greb had already beaten all of them and defeated Gibbons in their final two fights between 1920 and 1922 yet somehow in 1923 Gibbons is a better fit for Dempsey than Greb or Wills... Yeah, the only thing acceptable about the guys Dempsey was fighting was that they werent the most qualified candidates.