Who has been hit with more punches over their career AJ or Wilder?

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  1. Mark Adam

    Mark Adam Active Member banned Full Member

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    I was watching highlights of Wilder v Ortiz and realised how easy Wilder is to hit, so I thought it would be good to compare his defense to AJ`s, I AJ`s guard and movement are much better than Wilder`s, what does anyone think about Wilder`s defense?
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  2. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Its pretty obvious who has been hit more in their career. Wilders defence is poor, alot of what he does is poor. These are tell tale signs for Boxers who are going to get exposed when they start facing the best and 40 fights in and we are still waiting for him to face the best. I know we had Ortiz but old man Ortiz looked not good against some real average competition before Wilder took the challenge and that fight was nearly cancelled at the last minute due to Ortiz health problems and he still very nearly knocked Wilder out.

    But 40 fights in he hasnt been stopped or beaten and has knocked every opponant he has faced out and has the WBC belt, so he is doing something right, i feel he has got his style, his system and over these 40 fights has got this style and system totally nailed down. For all his bad practice i like what Wilder does, it makes it exciting and he is one of my favourite Boxers to watch. Especially when he is trying to read his opponant so he can counter him, i actually think he is an expert at doing that. We laugh at his windmilling but when he is not getting too excited his accuracy is excellent.
     
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  3. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder because he has almost twice as many fights as Joshua. However, Joshua is easier to land clean on while Wilder tends to roll with most of the shots that land on him. Also, Joshua's lack of head movement resulted in him eating way too many flush right hands against Wlad.

    In the Takam fight Joshua's defense was awful, since he left his body wide open and was eating body shots all throughout the early and middle rounds. Joshua was able to get away with this because Takam has no punching power, but leaving his body wide open against Povetkin will cost him. Hopefully Joshua's team has worked on that, since Povetkin is going to be looking to exploit any and all holes in Joshua's defense just like Wlad did, since Joshua despite being a unified champ is still a green fighter.
     
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  4. Geo1122

    Geo1122 Active Member Full Member

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    Joshua’s defence appears to be better. But then it depends on how you define a good defence. Joshua appears to take most of the rounds when he fights, even against good competition. Wilder on the other hand appears to let rounds slip.

    There are different types of defence. Joshua’s positioning, and style seems to put fighters on the back foot, unwilling to engage as much (no openings), whereas Wilder’s competition engage more, taking rounds.

    Wilder can slip shots, but the first line of his defence means that he needs to slip shots more than Joshua, who perhaps doesn’t slip shots quite so well, but he’s faced with less of them because of the first line of his defence.

    Plus Joshua’s attack is more disciplined and focused, which is in fact, part of his defence.

    I suppose we’ll know more when Wilder fights another strong contender.
     
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  5. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Fury will box the heads off these bums.

    AJ isn't smart as Wlad. He'll gas out trying to KO Fury and probably get KO'd himself

    Wilder's head turns into a balloon after Fury jabs his nut in.
     
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  6. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Wilder and it's not even close.

    Knocked down and almost stopped by 18% kos Sconiers

    Ktfo by a russian cruiser

    Knocked down by harold sconiers check jab

    Had his face pummeled in and big swollen eyes and juicy lips by johan "bum" duhaupas

    Wobbled all over the ring by eric molina

    Lit up by artur "the pin"

    Jabbed over and over by washington

    Almost ktfo by Ortiz





    It's like, look at the pattern here.

    As soon as he fights someone with length, a jab and ko power its over.
     
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wilder has obviously been hit, more dropped by journeymen Nichols and Sconiers, rocked by Molina, eye shut by Duhaupas, Szpilka had him off balance with shots at times, Washington was out boxing him, Ortiz had him hurt too.

    They both have very different defensive style. Joshua due to his size couldn't do what Wilder does, he'd gas out, it takes a lot of energy to fight Wilder's style, with all the head and upper body movement. Joshua's style is all about positioning, the high guard and blocking shots on gloves, arms and shoulders, then countering.

    Wilder's style in contrast is more about controlling distance and using head and upper body movement to slip shots and then counter. He doesn't really have a guard at all so if you can get inside those long arms it means he can be easily got too.
     
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  8. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Wilder is basically pure athletecism. Like a very poor heavyweight version of Roy.

    Hes 33 soon, hence why hes desperate to get AJ asap

    How old was roy vs Tarver? 34?
     
  9. Mark Adam

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    Povetkin likes the hook and knocked Price out with it but AJ always has his right glove protecting the side of his head, even when he legs turned to rubber he managed to block 6 hooks thrown by Wlad.
     
  10. Mark Adam

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    Fury outreached Wlad because of the length of his but he won`t have that advantage against Wilder who also punches far harder than Fury, one hard right and Fury will be finished, AJ would do better against Wilder because of his high guard and constantly threatening power.
     
  11. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    He was 34 when he first fought him, 35 when he was knocked out.

    And yes Wilder is all athleticism and his size and reach. When his reflexes go he'll likely struggle like RJJ did. He simply never grasped the fundamentals of boxing and always relied on his natural talents.
     
  12. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Well AJ has faced a better quality of opposition, so has been hit with bigger shots thrown with more accuracy and power than Wilder has. On the other hand, Wilder has nearly twice the number of fights and a woeful guard that sees him take lots of low level punches from mediocre opposition that'll likely lead to him facing PD somewhere down the line. AJ can have whole fights where he doesn't really take any meaningful punishment, whereas Wilder seems to get rocked or badly outboxed every single fight, regardless of the level of opponent.

    I'd say cumulatively Wilder has notched up a whole load more dead braincells than AJ, based simply on his terrible defence. He's Riddick Bowe to AJ's Lennox.
     
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  13. cippi

    cippi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    wilder is a beast. he maybe easy to hit but styles make fights. hes in the heavyweight division and he brings excitement. and imo hes not that easy to hit. lots of power and aggression once he rattles you.
     
  14. Mark Adam

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    People were booing early on when Wilder was fighting really negative vs Ortiz, AJ throws much more punches, specifically jabs, he also doesn`t back peddle like Wilder he takes the centre of the ring and that`s very important.
     
  15. BoxingABC1

    BoxingABC1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i think we're going to see a very defensive AJ from now on in and he will be getting hit a alot less. i think he's worried about how he gassed in the Klitschko fight and how close he came to losing and doesn't want to be in that position again. We saw it starting in the Parker fight, i don't think i've ever seen AJ so reluctant to throw his combinations
     
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