Could A Prime Wlad Outbox A Prime Ali

If we're talking about Haye at his absolute best, then you have a point, but Haye was severely limited by the broken toe that seriously limited his mobility vs Wlad. Most of us myself included favored Haye to beat Wlad, but that wasn't the normal Haye that night.

If we're comparing the best version of Haye vs 1960s Ali, Ali was much more fleet footed, had much better footwork, was more elusive, etc. Haye did have more power, but Ali beat a lot of fighters who had more power than him. Prime Haye vs 1970s Ali, then you got a fight and a more balanced matchup, by then Ali slowed down and the best version of Haye probably stops mid 1970s Ali. But not 1960s Ali. 1960s Ali was pretty much untouchable and unstoppable.

 

Wlad definitely has size advantages but movement and speed would likely always trouble Wlad. Fury was much bigger than Ali but I think Ali would have similar success making Wlad reach and ambushing him with speed.

You would always pick the modern fighter? Really?

You'd pick Spence and Cawford over Leonard and Hearns?
You'd pick Kovalev over Roy Jones?
You'd pick Golovkin over Toney or McCallum?
You'd pick Mikey Garcia over JCC?
You'd pick anyone at 140 over Pryor, Meldrick Taylor, Cervantes?


Boxing is a skill sport before it's an athletic contest and the skills have diminished.

 

What an awful comparison and post

 

Had Norton not (IMO) won the trilogy in reality, nobody would be giving him a snowballs chance in hell of beating Ali even once. There's enough correlations between Norton and Wlad that makes me think there's a decent chance Wlad would win a trilogy the same way, particularly since I think Wlads better and more dangerous than Norton was.

 

Ali would jab Wlads face off, dance around him, and KO him around the 10th . Wlad proved vs Fury that he had no plan B, and Fury ain't no Ali.

And I'm not a big fan of Ali. Just stating the obvious even to the most casual of boxing fans.

 

This. A combination of Pressure and power are all wrong for Wlad. Foreman's power and walking hooks would make short work of either Klitschko. Frazier's nonstop pressure would would most likely gas Wlad out. If Brewster can end Wlad in 5 Frazier can definitely get the job done.

Also, it's hilarious that people are comparing Haye to Ali. Haye has a weak chin and poor stamina while Ali has a great chin and great stamina. Also, Ali is very versatile and can adapt in the ring while Haye is one dimensional. Haye's resume at heavyweight is a complete joke when compared to Ali's.

Haye's resume at heavyweight:

Dereck Chisora - Coming off of 3 complete beatdowns from Fury, Helenius, and Vitali all within 1 year.

Nikola Valuev- struggled with a 46 year old Holyfield

John Ruiz (shot)

Audley Harrison - Former Gold medalist.

 

I like Ali by decision. Wlad was never a guy to use his size and power in an attacking come forward matter. Ali wouldnt try to get in close and would be content to stay on the outside and use his hand and foot speed to box circles around Wlad.

 

Norton would be a complete joke today. Tiny size bully, Glass jaw, average mover lacking pop.

 

Not a good matchup for Wlad. In his prime Wlad he was over cautious and a clinch machine, Ali was known to clinch too so it'd be an ugly fight. I see Wlad throwing jabs but not much of anything else, but Ali would throw combos. Wlad (not prime) but was still confounded by movement by Fury of all people. He made Fury appear as boxing master. Also remember how when Wlad had opponents in the corner he would jab and then be hesitant to put combos together so Ali wouldn't even worry when trapped. It just takes a couple stinging counters from Ali and Wlad would go into a complete shell. Another fighter to embarrass Wlad had blazing hand speed in Sanders, so two things that have led Wlad to lose were movement and blazing hand speed. Ali had both of these qualities better than any Wlad opponent ever. Ali by decision, or if he surprises Wlad with something he might even finish off.

 

That was 40yo wlad

 

If Ali would play with prime Wlad than he would literally clown Joshua and knock Wilder in round 1 , coz prime Wlad beats Joshua and wilder pretty easy.

 

This..