Canelo and his legal, illegal handwraps.

Did you seriously just say that “less cushion inside gloves, in the knuckle area” somehow disproves what i said before regarding hand wraps ?
I’m lost for words, honestly.
I dont think Ive ever seen/heard someone have such a verbal diareah on things they do not understand (or are you messing things up like this on purpose? No one can be this dumb)

Rosado said that Golovkins gloves were tampered with, cushioning material taken out of cluckle area, hence his remarks about custom made gloves.

Hand wraps are a different story and they serve different purpose.

Edit : why dont you go to a gym once, get actual experience of how it feels to punch :
1.without wraps bare hand
2.with wraps no glove
3.without wraps with glove
4.with wraps and glove

... and report your finding on how your knucles feel in each stage along with what happens with your wrist in 1. and 3. when you dont land clean.

 

Golovkin fans claiming Canelo fans are "fanboying" when both sides are crying about the same thing, haha.

"Nu-uh, MY dad would kick YOUR dads ass!"

 

Hand wraps and gloves are inter-related. Hand wraps are supposed to fit snug inside the glove right up against the cushioning part of the glove. If there isn't enough cushion in the glove or if there isn't enough gauze on the wraps the hand will not be secure in the glove and your hand could move around inside the glove during the fight.

Rosado's complaint was that there wasn't enough of a barrier between GGG's hands and the outside of the gloves, and Rosado was feeling the brunt of GGG's hands (wraps) when he punched him. Of course that's different than how stacked hand wraps are, but the two are related since the wraps and the inside of the glove are supposed to fit snug so the glove stays in place during the fight and the wrap doesn't have space inside the glove to move around.

Having a lack of cushioning inside the glove sounds like a much bigger health issue to the opponent than Canelo stacking his hand wraps. The additional gauze on Canelo's wraps via the stacking method would make Canelo's hands / wraps more secure inside the glove.

I'm asking you what you think is a bigger health issue to the opponent : stacking a hand wrap with additional gauze or not having enough cushioning in the glove? This isn't a lecture about the differences between hand wraps and the cushion inside the glove. You trying to go that route is deflecting away from the topic at hand.

The irony is clear, Sanchez accused Canelo of having too much gauze on his hand wraps, meanwhile his fighter GGG had already been accused of not having enough padding in the gloves. The most important thing (and surely this you can agree with) is that there is a snug fit between the hand wraps and the inside of the glove so the glove is secure and has a tight bond with the hand wraps.

Apparently GGG didn't have that vs Rosado and he could feel the wrap through the glove when GGG punched which is a much bigger scandal and a much bigger health issue to the opponent than Canelo having additional gauze on his hand wraps. That's what I'm asking you about.

 

Really? Wow, to me the scandal is that nobody even checked those gloves to pick up on it. Amazing!

Sanchez needs to stack Golovkin's wraps like the Manhattan tower. Nothing like having extra weight and mass in the gloves for that clubbing effect. I'm sure Canelo's team will be ok with GGG hitting even harder.

 

Forget about "how it works". I'm asking you what is a bigger scandal to you : a fighter fighting an opponent without the normal padding / cushion in the glove so he feels a fighter's hands / wraps contact his head when he gets hit by a punch instead of the normal padded part of the glove . . .

OR Canelo stacking his hand wraps with additional gauze?

What's worse to you? What's more of a health risk to your opponent?

It seems to me that not having padding in your glove and feeling someone's hand connect with your skull through the glove when a punch is landed is a much bigger scandal, is a much bigger danger to the opponent, is much more of a dirty situation, etc. Do you agree with that?

As far as the legality of stacking, that's something we've already covered. Stacking hand wraps is not illegal. You say it is, but it's nowhere in the rules, having additional gauze over the tape in a hand wrap is perfectly legal, it's allowed by the commissions and the inspectors.

If we're going to talk about whether it's ethically OK, then we need to talk about what it does to the glove. Do you agree that having additional gauze on the wraps due to stacking creates more of a tighter / snug fit inside the glove keeping the glove more secure on the hand? Address this point first.

Then also lets hear how ethical you think it is to have padding / cushion missing on the inside of GGG's gloves as Rosado accused him of. What's worse in your opinion?

 

We'll he'd have to stack Golovkin's wraps like the Manhattan tower for it to reach the end of the glove with the glove's normal padding missing in Golovkin's custom gloves.

No wonder Abel was complaining so much about extra gauze on the wraps. Sanchez is used to his fighters having minimal padding in the gloves and minimal gauze on the wraps. Sanchez apparently likes to have his fighter's opponents feel his fighter's fists through the gloves.

Do you think GGG's big knockout streak had something to do with that?

 

Why are you treating this as a fact that it’s exactly what happened - Golovkin had shady stuff done with his gloves - and comparing it to what we actually know to be true - ginger had “stacked” wraps?

 

You’re and idiot. Point blank.
And your attempts to deviate from actual facts, introduce half-truths/speculations and spin them for reasons known only to yourself are getting pathetic aswell.

Everything was explained to you in a way that a 5yearold would understand. Your response to that is more of the same crap you were spewing before + pretending that Golovkins gloves had less cushion in them (there goes your “I’m only going by facts”). From this i conclude that any kind of dialog with you is pointless - you’re not here to listen.

Hope you are getting paid well lol

 

I don't think Stevens ever made a fuss about gloves.

 

You act as if both are equal and carry the same weight. That's just false equivalency. Between the two scandals of Canelo's wraps (Which are only legal in Vegas apparently) and golovkin's gloves (Which are legal where ever he fights and approved by the commission), which one is smells more like tainted beef?

 

It's the old false equivalency. It's the defense of the defeated. With a dash of 'whataboutism' of course... Now we have posters acting as if the two are the same.

Where the heck is critical thinking in the world nowadays?

Now Shadow will spread Rosado's claim as fact to anyone who'll believe his garbage.

 

This is some kind of attempt to deflect from the question I am asking you, and the topic being discussed.

If we're going by the facts, the facts are that stacking handwraps with additional gauze is NOT illegal as Sanchez and many GGG supporters are claiming. Flamazide claims that stacking is illegal, even though it isn't. So if we're going to go by the facts, then base that around the fact that Canelo's stacking method is legal.

If we're going to talk about whether or not that's ethical or a danger to your opponents, we're going to have to get into the nitty gritty about how wraps fit into the glove and all that. Since Sanchez was the one to make such a hissy fit about how he thought that a legal hand wrap method was illegal, we need to take a look into Sanchez and see what he and his fighters have been accused of. It turns out his fighter GGG has been accused of not having enough padding / cushion in the gloves. I'm not "pretending" Golovkin's gloves had less cushion in them, I'm reacting to Rosado's claim that he felt "straight solid wraps" when he was hit. He made the claim not me. I did not say it was a proven fact that G's gloves were missing padding. And to this day people still claim that Margarito's gloves weren't loaded, so establishing 100% facts in these kind of situations are not easy, even if it's supposedly proven. It all comes down to what you believe happened and more importantly and directly to the topic, what you think is worse : stacking hand wraps or not having padding in your gloves?

I'm asking you this to gauge how unbiased you are.

 

Says the poster who jumped on another topic in this thread... Why didn't you say this to Divac?

 

Canelo's wraps are not only legal in Vegas. He had the same method of wraps approved by inspectors in Texas, and there's no rule about it in other states either. So that's just not true.

I have no idea how closely Golovkin's gloves were inspected. We know in every fight hand wraps are examined closely by commission inspectors. That's standard. As far as inspecting gloves and the cushion in them, we have no way to know if they get inspected.

I'd like to believe they are, but then the question you have to ask yourself is, if GGG's gloves were inspected, then why is Rosado making these claims. If the NY commission inspected Golovkin's gloves, saw no problem with them, but then Rosado is claiming there was no padding in them and he felt wraps when he got hit with the gloves, then something's not adding up.

 

There no secrect. They are ways to bend the rules a bit. More so in this sport. Every trainer would take advantage of it. I certainly would. Its legal.