Canelo and his legal, illegal handwraps.

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  1. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Fan of Canelo? LOL

    And you think you're being fair about the wrap issue? Is there even a wrap issue? Some of you haters are ridiculous. What is the wrap issue? Sanchez mouthing off? So I guess you're concerned about the beard issue too? lol
     
  2. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just go away ISal... you're just embarrassing now. You can't be honest or genuine in your posts. Or show any type of critical thinking to apply to situations. You just aren't a bright person.
     
  3. divac

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    Lance is someone who doesn't take a real stance and rides the fence on issues.
    In other words he's a waffler. He wont commit to a stance so that way you cant say he was wrong on an issue.

    His last post, "false equivalency" …… he's stating that two wrongs don't make a right. That both stances are wrong or exaggerated, the Canelo and the GGG fanboy stance, but yet, he rarely points out what in the points anyone makes is wrong or erroneous.

    I posted a video of Rosado making allegations of suspicioun about Golovkin's gloves, he rebukes it without stating why. Like he felt the same punches Rosado felt and knows what he's talking about without having to offer any explanation what so ever.
     
  4. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What's to commit to? Message board poster heresay? The BIG difference is, I don't pretend to know everything, unlike a few of you who base your entire opinions on a couple of things that suit your position.

    I've admitted to being wrong a bunch. Reason being is, it's NOTHING to admit you were wrong. Everyone is wrong on this board on many occasions. But you and your ilk tend to double down and be stubborn rather than admit an error.

    But hey, Isal and a few others will agree. Mission accomplished.
     
  5. IsaL

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    Great way in describing him Divac. I would add that Lance does not like to engage in debate and will resort to attacking the debater since its obviously easier for him to do.

    And here are two examples. He makes baseless statements like this getting off topic instead of debating what he thinks is wrong.

    And here too.. I asked a question whether the wraps were legal or not, and whatb the wrap issue is exactly and this is his response.
     
  6. divac

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    Point to me where you think I'm erring in my opinion on the subject matter?

    My stance on all related Canelo-Golovkin……
    Canelo testing positive for Clenbuterol was unfortunate, there isn't a fighter who'd want to be in that position
    whether accidental by contaminated meat or not.
    Does it prove Canelo purposely was taking Clenbuterol to gain an advantage? NO! Everything Canelo has done since then has pointed in the direction that the odds are meat contamination was the issue with his positive tests.

    Secondly, is Canelo cheating by illegally wrapping his hands to make his punches have a more telling effect?
    There's no proof of it what so ever except on Abel Sanchez' say so.

    Lastly, is Golovkin a cheat for manipulating the padding on his gloves?
    My answer is who knows, I only posted Rosado's take on it which seems to be an honest legitimate gripe on his part, and there are some pictures out there from the Rosado fight where Golovkin's glove looks unusually deformed upon his landing a punch on Rosado.

    You take from that what you will, my only point on Golovkin is that he's not beyond suspicioun as there are some real stuff out there that points to real unmade up suspicioun.

    Now whats your take on it Lance? We have yet to hear it.
     
  7. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How freakin stupid are you? Seriously, when you post stuff like this, are you completely obivious to what YOU have said? You're the freakin Mitch McConnell of the board FFS. :duh

    You laid the claim that 3G fans called Golovkin BRAVE for facing Brook. I called you out, and you tried to skirt around it. And you come back saying something like this crap about baseless statements.

    You either are:
    1. Too dumb to remember that or,
    2. Too much a pathological liar to care.

    BTW, speaking of getting off topic. Guess who made this all about 3g and gloves when it was a Canelo topic? Your boyfriend, Divac did.

    The smarter you try to act, the clearer it becomes you're just simple.

    This post where you try to pat yourself on the back only shows how lacking of self awareness you are.
     
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  8. BCS8

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    He had the chance to wear those exact same gloves. He refused. There were backup gloves, but he was ok with the ones that GGG went with in the end. He got the crap beaten out of him (lol -it wuz da gloves, yeah right) and is now salty about it.

    Bottomline: he's got NO leg to stand on.
     
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  9. BCS8

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    Ummm ... he's lying?

    Ummm ... he's mistaken?

    Ummm ... GGG hits so goddamn hard that it feels like there's less padding?

    He could have lodged an official complaint right after the fight and had the gloves examined. He didn't.
     
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  10. Flamazide

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    Yeah. Okay so, "stacking" isn't only called stacking. The exact process doesn't really have a name but it is a an wrapping technique that has always been banned but there was never an explicit rule against it. It was never allowed though because of the health risk and if attempted you SHOULD be stopped. That's why everyone doesn't do it. There are specific ways to wrap your hands that you aren't supposed to deviate from. Either because it is dangerous for yourself or dangerous to your opponent.

    Each state makes their own rules and pretty much answers to themselves. So after this they just officially stated it was allowed but prior to that no statement was ever made saying that it is. Actually I'm not even sure if it is even allowed now. I hope that it isn't because someone could seriously die because of this. Again this isn't a new thing. People have been injured before because of this. All it takes is stacking + a corner that won't pull you out of the fight + a brave fighter + a mismatch and you get a death in the ring or permanent brain damage. But NV don't seem to care. I hope they get sued but I don't know if they even can get sued.

    The biggest problem with them allowing this to me is that they have prevented people from stacking in the past. Because people don't attempt this often (because it is illegal) there aren't many cases and us fans generally don't get to hear about things like this anyway. If you think about it, WE only learned Canelo did this in the Golovkin fight months later.

    Also, for the people trying to compare this to breaking your glove in by using them or using horse hair gloves (puncher's gloves)... The difference there is that when you do either one of those things it is still YOU that is factor for your power. Those things are helping you utilizing what you can already do. If you take a guy that can't punch and have him do both of those things he STILL can't punch. Because that just isn't what he can do. Now with stacking it is the WRAPS that are causing the damage. Now we're adding an outside element that the fighters gets benefits from. And anyone can do this.

    Sorry for pulling a "shadow" and giving you a long post, man.
     
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  11. LANCE99

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    I've said FROM THE beginning, it's entirely possible Canelo simply had bad beef. I never shy'd away from that. What you and the idiots do is, take my posts on the subjest as me saying he's guilty, simply because I am arguing with someone who says it's 100% accidental. DO you agree with that statement, that it was 100% accidental of canelo?

    With the wraps, I've said before (And this isn't the only thread that has been made on this),if the State commision allows it, it's not illegal, regardless of how fishy it may be.

    On golovkin, now you are trying to make it to be a fact that there was manipulation on his gloves. From one fighter's words. Ask yourself this, who exactly is Rosafo making the comparison with? And WHAT type of gloves do these other guys use, who appartently felt like normal punches? Are you man enough to admit the different gloves used by differnt fighters for various reasons? Did all of Rodado's opponents prior use Grants just like 3G?

    Did ANY of that even enter your head? I doubt it. You got the sound bite you needed.

    So forgive me if I don't repeat my opinions in EVERY thread that's created on the same topic.
     
  12. thesmokingm

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  13. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I guess these "knowledgeable boxing fans" think ALL boxers use the same style Grants gloves. NO ONE uses Reyes, Winning, Everlast... :boxing1
     
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  14. Flamazide

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    Well, there actually isn't a huge difference between the brand itself anyway. It matters at high levels and for fighter comfort (which is huge because these are always new gloves) but the style of glove means way more than the brand. Grant gloves aren't uncommon and it wouldn't make sense for them to do anything special for Golovkin since it is very easy to be caught and the penalties for this are very severe.

    It is much more likely that Golovkin just hits hard. Occam's razor. There hasn't been anything at all to indicate that Golovkin uses suspect gloves beyond how hard he hits which has never changed. If he suddenly got this type of power then it would make a lot of sense to be skeptical about something like this but he has always had scary power even in the amateurs. Nothing has ever changed.
     
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  15. Dirsspaardis

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    Only few people here still remember what this thread was about, the usual suspects have put in an enourmous effort [again] to turn everyones attention to something else lol

    So now stacking is ok, because
    a. It not written anywhere that it isnt legal. Rules normaly state what is legal, everything else obviously isnt but whatever, convinient back door for scumbags i guess.
    b. Theres this guy who says Golovkins gloves had less padding in them... how these two things are connected? I dont know either but stacked wraps (100% fact) are ok because those gloves were fishy (speculation without much substance)
     
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