Marciano VS the 2 Lennox Lewis conquerors

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  1. mcvey

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    Anybody can be ko'd by those two right hands flush on the whiskers.
    No you'll go with the guy who never faced a super heavyweight or took his punches.
     
  2. janitor

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    I will also say that I think that a sneaky puncher like Walcott, can be much more dangerous than a bigger but limited one.

    I would be interested to see if Lewis could have got up from that shot that Walcott hit Marciano with.

    I suspect that he would have been in trouble.
     
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    Then why did it never happen to other men on your top ten heavyweight list?

    why didn't these guys do it to more world class fighters?

    I am sorry, but these losses are Lewis's baggage!
     
  4. mcvey

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    Well I don't think Archie Moore would drop Lewis and make him black out for a couple of seconds which Rocky said he did. Lewis took shots from Vitali Klitschko without going down, I think he would absorb Jersey Joe's okay. Lewis faced more punchers than half the other heavyweight champs put together.Which heavy duty HEAVYWEIGHT punchers did Marciano beat?
     
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    It did ,Jack Dempsey,and Jack Johnson were ko'd with single punches both are in my top ten! So is Larry Holmes and George Foreman!
     
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    I do not give a fighter credit for standing up to big bit limited punchers, whose record's as knockout artists don't stack up.

    40+ year old Foreman took the clumsy swings of the 90s behemoths, but in his prime he was getting put down by Ali and Young.

    An ounce of technique is worth a pound of power.

    I really cannot consider somebody getting dropped by Walcott or Moore, a greater knock against their chin than being knocked out cold by Rahman.

    that is just valuing the weight of the fighter who did it above the facts!
     
  7. janitor

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    Not exactly comparable examples.
     
  8. mcvey

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    They fit the criteria.
    Look the bottomline here is Marciano never took the punchers of a class superheavy and he never ko'd one
    He was put down by 37 years old man who ,while a good puncher was never considered a devastating hitter.
    He was also dropped and stunned by a near 40 years old former lhvy.
    So you are taking a great deal on trust, based as far as I can see on nothing more than rose coloured nostalgia.
    Leaving aside the chin comparison Marciano had a documented vulnerability to cuts, in the 90s a couple of his fights would have been stopped.
     
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  9. janitor

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    OK, lets start by looking at the two men who stopped Lewis.

    What apart from he fact that they stopped Lewis, leads you to think that they were remarkable punchers?

    There is quite a big gulf between dropping somebody, and knocking them out cold.

    We are not exactly comparing like for like here!
     
  10. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Lol sure and he proved it when a 40 years old former mw dropped him and joe frazier for example took thw shots from bob foster like nothing.the great chin of rocky is a joke myth
     
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    Watching the punches that landed on Lewis's chin leads me to believe they were heavy punchers ie the evidence of my own eyes. Lewis was not out cold against McCall he was on his feet at the time of the stoppage.Comparing the punches that put Lewis down with the punch that Moore landed to drop Marciano Im convinced both Rahman and McCall hit Lewis harder than Moore hit Marciano.If you don't think Rahman could hit watch him here with Corrie Sanders.
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  12. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    This is more debatable
     
  13. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    I meant that what you said could be but no way marciano had a better chin than lewis..
     
  14. janitor

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    Let's put it in modern context.

    Fighter A gets a flash knockdown from James Toney, but gets up to knock him out.

    Fighter B gets knocked out cold by Hasim Rahman!

    Wouldn't you go with fighter A?
     
  15. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    It is more simple like that... Archie moore never ever would drop lewis. Hassim rahman did hit harder than moore by a country mile h2h at hw