Marciano VS the 2 Lennox Lewis conquerors

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  1. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    its boxing, not powerlifting. Joe frazier was an ATG HW who would kill Rahmmy inside a few rounds, yet he struggled with powerlifts.

    if boxing was powerlifting then jon paul sigmarsson would have handled mike tyson like a 15 year old. Him dying of a heart embolism in his twenties tells you all you need to know about how he'd do in a cardio sport.


    why am i needing to explain it you? thats what i dont get.
     
  2. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    I mean physically, it is boxing but marciano was very physical he was a street brawler he was no einstein of the ring. (Any strong powerlifter handle a boxer like a rag doll in the clinch).jon pal was more a strongman but anyway
     
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  3. Rumsfeld

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    I think Marciano probably beats them both.

    McCall was working with Emanuel in preparation for the Lewis bout, where Emanuel had observed some bad habits in Lewis that Oliver was able to exploit. That might actually be trickier against Marciano.

    And Rahman didn't look all that great against Lewis, prior to the knockout, and Emanuel consistently claimed that Rahman admitted to him afterwards that he was discouraged and ready to quit (Rahman, I believe, has denied this claim - but I tend to believe Steward, for what that's worth).

    In both cases, Lewis' conquerors fought subpar versions of Lewis. Lewis was still green pre-Steward, and Lewis was ill-prepared for Rahman. I'm not saying they don't deserve credit for beating Lennox - they do! And it was nobody's fault but his that he lost those bouts.

    I know Marciano would be giving up size against these two, but neither McCall nor Rahman was a master boxer, both were very inconsistent, and neither had the greatest focus or ring intelligence. I tend to believe Marciano beats them both, where I'd give Oliver the better shot if he had Steward.

    Truth be told, while this won't be a very popular opinion, Marciano may have had a shot against those versions of Lewis as well, if Lennox couldn't get him out of there in 3 or 4. It would be a long shot, and ordinarily I'd totally favor the best version of Lennox to beat the best version of Rocky. But those versions of Lennox? Rocky would have a shot if he can persevere early on, where he'd almost certainly get off to a bad start.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Marciano looked like a midget against Ali, against Lewis he would look like a small child.
     
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  6. mcvey

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    Does Rahman look like he ate all the pies to you?

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  7. HerolGee

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    i meant the OP rahmans already got his added weight
     
  8. mcvey

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    Rahman was a particularly strong heavyweight ,the point he made was valid.
     
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  9. HerolGee

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    yet boxing is about punching ability, not benchpressing ability.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Boxing isn't,and never has been solely about punching ability if it was.Willie Pep Jim Corbett,Tommy Loughran,Jack Sharkey,Chris Byrd,Jimmy Young and hundreds of others would not have been successful.
    Marciano was usually stronger than his opponents ,stronger and in better condition .Archie Moore said he was by far the strongest man he ever fought, not the hardest puncher he named Durelle and Sheppard as better,Cockell also said he had met harder punchers but none who threw so consistantly hard[conditioning].
    Against Rahman, Marciano would be conceding3.5 inches in height ,and over 40lbs of muscle, plus 14 inches of reach so he isnt winning this from distance, and I say Rahman was stronger,therefore Marciano would not have the success inside he had with some of his opponents.
     
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  11. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Then i imagine that you would pick a guy like meldrick taylor to beat mariuz pudiadozky in a fight for example(when he was active)
     
  12. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Well.. I think that it is pretty evident .. Rahman was a much stronger guy.. And hits harder too.taking in count his type of body and size i don't think that there are a huge difference between the hitting power of foreman and rahman
     
  13. HerolGee

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    pure boxing, of course.
     
  14. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Would you pick robinson over george chuvalo?
     
  15. HerolGee

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    boxing is about skill, not benchpress.

    strength can be an advantage, one of many.