TRUTH — Oscar Says Prime Manny Pacquiao Beats Floyd Mayweather... EASILY.

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  1. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Are you actually stupid, bro? Or just trolling? Or both?

    Floyd's a safety first fighter and his tight defense has kept him well preserved as a fighter. Throw in frequent vacations/retirements, cherrypicking, doping and you have a guy that is far, far closer to prime than Pacquiao is. Pacquiao's a small dude, been in a million wars, and was violently KO'd at the twilight of his career.

    R u sirius, bro?
     
  2. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Pacquiao pressed the action all night. Floyd tied up almost at every single opportunity.

    Pacquiao authored the two most significant sequences of action in the fight — he stunned Floyd twice and ripped him to the head and body w/ flush power shots.

    Pacquiao was almost tit-for-tat the rest of the fight w/ Floyd landing glancing blows and the occasional power shot. Pacquiao was right there with him the whole night in terms of landed punches.

    Pacquiao fought w/ one shoulder while Floyd was juiced to the gills.

    It was a semi-shot, previously KO'd, small, much slower Pacquiao versus a well-preserved, near prime specimen in Floyd.

    C'mon, son.

    :deal:
     
  3. Faceplant

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    I'm not sure there is anyone who is genunely impartial who doesnt realise this. When one guy humuliates himself by running away from a fight like that, there is only one answer.
     
  4. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Plus the added insurance of doping when he FINALLY thought it was safe enough to fight Pac.

    :lol:
     
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  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    To be honest I'm pretty biased since I'm a huge fan of Pacquiao. That said I cannot think of a single fighter who takes so much criticism from past his prime performances as Manny Pacquiao.

    Ali gets a pass for Holmes losses. Wlad gets a pass for Joshua and Fury losses. Ray Robinson who is regarded as the GOAT gets a pass for his numerous losses past his prime. Hopkins was called elite in his late 30s and beyond even though he clearly wasnt anymore and kept losing, but got a pass for all his losses.

    If I told you a fighter was a former FW champ and now fighting at WW. And said fighter had been in 4 wars with Marquez, 3 with Morales, 2 with Barrera, 1 with Cotto and 1 with Margarito. And was now a pro for 20 years you would think his scalp would be useless by now. But Pacquiao is afforded no concessions. If he was 70 years old and entered the ring in a wheelchair he would still be blamed for any deficiencies in his performance.

    No fighter is held to a standard like Pacquiao is.

    The lone exception I can think of is Marvin Hagler who was ruined by the Hearns and Mugabi wars. He still gets tons of flak for his performance against Leonard. And the conversation around SRL's shrewd timing of the fight is blocked out.
     
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  6. M.3

    M.3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What? lol There's an excuse for every Pac loss.. Every one of them.. What's crazy is that those same people have an excuse why Floyd won all his fights too...lol
     
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  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Strawman. Nobody is held to an elite standard like Pac is after 10 wars.
     
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  8. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    JLC is arguably the best LW of that era. PBF fought him for his first fight at 135 with a bad shoulder while being outweighed by almost 20 pounds on fight night but unlike Pac he found a way to win. He also had an immediate rematch and when healthy beat JLC going away. BTW PBF is the GOAT at 130 he had plenty of power at that weight and had more of enough power there to drop or hurt Pac there. PBF would have ripped Pac's head off at 130 while giving him a boxing lesson to boot.:deal: It would have been worse than he beat him at 147.
     
  9. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ... including Floyd Snr.
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    How would he have ripped his head off at 130? It took him an awful long time to start putting a hurt on Hernandez. Oscar starting pummeling him from the opening bell.

    And by the way Pac has better wins at 130 than FMJ does.

    JLC would have been just ****ing annihilated by Mosley and DLH at 135. So please. JLC is no bum, but the only reason he gave FMJ so many problems was because FMJ stylistic weakness is pressure. JLC was knocked out by domestic level Mexicans.
     
  11. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    :deal:
    For whatever reason these fools refuse to accept this and act as if it has no bearing in the match up. This is one of the most important things if not the most important thing in this match up. I guess they think boxing is a video game or simply don't understand the finer aspects of the sweet science. I've yet to see anyone who favors Pac be able to come up with a realistic scenario as to how Pac gets past this. The reason why I haven't see one is because there isn't one. It's the biggest reason why Roach back in the day said he needed more time to come up with a plan to beat PBF and it was because of PBF's ability to control range and dictate distance is legendary and he had no answer for it.
     
  12. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao's power advantage is nullified at 147. Because at 147 FMJ can fill out his 5'8" 72 inch frame a lot better than Pac can.

    But at 130 Pac has that frail FMJ frame to attack. Floyd cannot hurt Manny in the lower weights. For one Pacquiao's chin at 122-130 was very solid. Two, FMJ is a decent puncher, at 130, but doesn't hit any harder than Marquez or Morales. And neither of them could really hurt Pac there. They wobbled him and buzzed him, but never came close to knocking him down.
     
  13. Pimp C

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    Not at 130 they don't.
     
  14. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao walks through his punches. At some point Pac is going to say **** it, and start coming through the power to land his own.

    That is pretty much a given. Pac walked through Cotto who hits a hell of a lot harder than FMJ did.
     
  15. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Well, the world saw JLC beat that ass and many people had Maidana edging him.

    But mainly because Floyd's biggest wins have ALL been controversial.

    Floyd cheated Marquez on the scales after dragging him up 2 weight classes.

    Floyd received 750 ml of illegal IV fluids against Pac.

    Floyd drained a known fatty in Canelo to 152.

    Floyd paid Maidana 1.5 million dollars to not wear certain gloves.