If AJ beats Povetkin, does he rate higher than the Klitschko brothers in the ATG ratings?

If he beats Wilder and Povetkin then its a yes from me.

Less fights becomes irrelevant when the standard of opposition is that much higher.

 

Wow, Dinocuck is out in force tonight. All Anthony Joshua will show is that a young supersized HW will be able to beat a smaller, more skilled, yet faded champion. But, we knew this ever since Willard beat Johnson.

 

i'd guess dempsey isnt one of "we"

 

If he beats Povetkin, Wilder, Fury (Fury is still the lineal champion), and Miller, then he's top 20 ATG.

I don't see Joshua ever being a top 5 ATG.

 

out of curiosity, who is "we"?

is it mostly you?

 

Would take far more than Povetkin. If he beats Povetkin, Wilder and Fury than you can make an argument for it. He wouldn't have been as dominant for as long but his quality of opposition would make up for some of that.

But for him to go higher and break top 5 ATG he'd have to go even further than that and dominate for a long time like Wlad and Louis.

 

38 yr old pov isnt important here. lets look at whats real.

wlad klithcko has a clutch of a few good wins - iggy shaggy haye, plus a flawed win in pov.

aj has one good win, the kiwi guy.

aj is still far behind. wait till hes finished, then compare them thats fairer. if he adds a fully fit fury and wilder then yes hes level.



with vitali its different -vits has, perhaps one good win, sam peter, though its quality is debateable. ajiis likely overtaking that now.

 

No, but it will be getting into legit discussion territory. You are getting (unfairly) reemed, because boxing fans are notoriously slow to give ATG HW credit; it needs to be long done before they can generally look back with more fairness. Same thing with both Ks, Lewis, and others.

Realistically, if aj beats Sasha, AJ will have an ATG win, a 2.5 year belt reign, beaten, apart from Wlad, 2 other top 5 hw's, and 6 consecutive successful title defenses. That puts him in truly excellent stead, historically. He'll be easily in the top 20 all time. If he then beats Wilder and Fury and gets to 10 successful consecutive defenses, he will have surpassed both Ks and will be at or near top 5. But the reverse recency bias boxing fans have won't let them many of them see that until more time has passed. It's just the way it works.

 

Whilst Joshua undoubtedly possesses the natural talent to potentially achieve ATG status in due time, it is still way too early in his career to be comparing his legacy with the legacy of either Klitschko, especially Wladimir who went unbeaten for ten years (albeit in a weak division.)

For the time being we must watch how Joshua's career progresses over the next couple of years to see whether or not he remains a dominant force in the heavyweight division, only then can we compare his career with the careers of Vitali and Wlad and determine if he ranks above either.

Personally I can see Joshua achieving ATG status eventually, so long as he continues to fight the best available competition and rack up a couple more signature wins.

However when all is said and done and AJ has hung up his gloves for good I'm doubtful he will be mentioned frequently in anyone's list of top 15 ATGs, yet alone in anyone's top 5 (but perhaps in their top 20.)

 

The aura of stupidity is quite strong in this thread.
Beating an Old, clearly past his best Potvekin does not equal the young, hungry, undefeated PRIME version Wlad faced.
It’s not even close or debatable.

 

This. I think that it's fairly clear.

But some dumbos will always close their eyes and scream "t'ain't so!"

 

Also, Herol

What a **** poster. The same old regurgitated anti-Klitschko potato as a comment for the last 5 years ... WHEN one can make out what he's saying, which only happens 50% of the time.

 

Well said.

AJ can only fight what's in front of him. You can criticise the quality of the division, but guess what, that's the same criticism that Lewis was taking in the nineties. Short of cloning Ali, Norton, Frazier, Foreman or even Dempsey, Tunney et al, there will always be questions about this era vs another one.

If, AJ can beat Povetkin that's his second best win and arguably his first given Wlad's age. If he follows up with another unification with the speed and power challenge o f Wilder and disposes of the technical skills and awkwardness of Fury then to me the burden of proof would lie with those seeking not to include him as an ATG not the other way round. He would've done everything within his power and that's all you can ask of any fighter.

 

my post supports wlad. you write that same knee-jerk reply about my posts every week.