Carl Froch sets the record straight on who would have won if he fought Calzaghe

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  1. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    keep running from the argument at hand, i dont mind you are a good pal.
     
  2. HerolGee

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    it didnt open the door at all for froch - in fact it robbed carl of having a world class boxer on his resume, its calzaghe's move up that meant frochj had to settle for a crappier calzaghe level opponet on his resume in the form of rybacki, the level of guy joe spent nearly 10 years defending against...but froch was loath to spend even 40 minutes facing for titles.

    It robbed froch more importantly of the chance to win a unified crown that joe refused ro defend even once. How on earth is robbing someone of a chance at a unified cron "opening the door"? you shouldnt talk shyt, man you are talking the OPPOSITE of what really happened.


    , but you are partly right in that Super 6 (and not joe) did help decide the next unified champion at smw over the course of a year, which joe calzaghe had himself taken 10 years to acheive, true.


    And perhaps, in a way you are not wrong that Froch went onto next take a bigger scalp than Calzaghe, in Jermaine Taylor.
     
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  3. JOSEY WALES

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    Oh dear you sound as if you're getting slightly upset here mate , Joe unified the 168lbs division and was Ring Champ ( something Carl failed to do ) you are suggesting Calzaghe jacking all the 168 belts and challenging and winning the RING belt @ 175lbs earning zillions of $$$$'s in the process and beating a LEDGEND like Hopkins is a bad thing , . LMFAO
     
  4. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    no i'm not.

    it would be wiser for you to answer the posts content, rather than whats not in my post.

    good luck with trying that.
     
  5. JOSEY WALES

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    Listen mate if you calm down I will answer any question you like BUT you really need not to get so upset with Joe booming up to the 175lbs Division after cleaning house @ 168lbs , imo there was no one at the desired level for Joe to face after he beat Mikkel so his decision to not wait around for Ward was the correct one , Joe played boxing and boxing didn't play Joe ( not a lot of fighters end up RICH and UNDEFEATED in this sport) . You should be happy for Joeseph what with you being a fan of the sport and not a fan boy like .
     
  6. Loudon

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    Good post.

    I agree with you.

    Carl was fortunate there, and yes, the Super Six wouldn't have happened had Joe not moved up and then retired. However, you can also look at Joe's career from different perspectives too. Like I mentioned earlier, on the one hand you could say that Joe was desperately unlucky, in that his peak was after the era that had Benn, Collins, Eubank, Watson as well as the big name U.S. fighters, and that it was before the era that had Ward, Froch and Bute etc. But then you could also say that he was lucky in that respect, as in he fought easier opponents during his 10 year reign. So it works both ways. We know that Joe was great, but could he have retired with a 46-0 record, had he have fought guys like Roy Jones, Frankie Liles and Andre Ward etc? We don't know. You also have to wonder how Sven Ottke's career would have unfolded had a guy like Roy had remained at SMW for the majority of his career, instead of moving up to LHW after just 6/7 fights. So all fighters have different circumstances surrounding them.
     
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  7. JOSEY WALES

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    Joe was lucky i agree but when we see guys like Tocker Pugwell on his record instead of Thomas Tate for one example we need to remember Mr Tate pulling out the week before the fight and respect should be given to Tocker for standing in at the very last moment , imo no way does Joe beat a prime 168 Roy Jones Jr ( I'm a boxing can first and foremost not a fan boy ) I would have had tidy cash on him beating Bernard Hopkins at 168lbs though and I suspect Bernard knew this also that's why he skipped the entire division, as for Andre Ward well I'm of the thought that the fight would have taken place around the same time as when Joe fought Bernard and by then he was struggling to get back down to 168lbs and could have been handed his first loss ( but who for sure really knows mate ) .
     
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  8. Nopporn

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    How are you mate?
    I have a question for you to answer. Many people said that Hopkins got robbed in the fight against Calzaghe. I watched the tape of that fight over and over again and I didn't see the robbery as those people said. What do you think about this?
     
  9. Loudon

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    Joe was unlucky with injuries and in his opponents pulling out, but then you really have to look at his talent and ask the question: Should he have been fighting a guy like Tate in the first place? I don't think so. I think he should have been in the LHW mix by that stage of his career.

    I'd have liked to have seen him fight Bernard at SMW back in the early 00's. And it appears as though Bernard backtracked. But Joe was still relatively unknown stateside at that point.

    Regarding a fight with Andre Ward, that would have intrigued me. A great stylistic match up. I can envisage both guys winning.
     
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  10. HerolGee

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    i am, you can reply anytime you feel ready, same answer.
     
  11. JOSEY WALES

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    Andre v Calz due to circumstances ie age , weight worries etc is a fight I really have no clue as to how it would have panned out man , we wuz robbed of a barn burner for sure ,

    Hello Nopporn all is cool here thank you brother , I hope all is well with you , I've only watched the Calzaghe v Hopkins a few times and each time come to the same conclusion .. Joe wins on points after the play acting Hopkins stops the fight every two minutes claiming low blows lol ......May be Herrol G can put his argument across as a contribution to your post in support of Bernard ....you game Herrol ....????
     
  12. bailey

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    So you didnt answer my question. Why did you duck?

    Lets try again...

    "What risks did Froch take that calzaghe wouldnt? Cant wait for this answer."

    Was Kessler who beat Froch prime? Answer no but Calzaghe beat prime Kessler. Tell me who all these top prime fighters were in your opinion.
    Was G Johnson one of the best in the world at SMW? Interesting as Johnson lost a box off against Sheika to fight Calzaghe some 11 years prior.
    Veit also was a more accomplished SMW than A Dirrell but as you have already implied you dont know the division at that time, yet still want to shout out your opinions
     
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  13. bailey

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    The totality? Calzaghe is far greater by a long way then having won all of the SMW titles and beaten 3 better opponents than any on Frochs resume.
    Groves was at a similar level to Starie when Froch fought him. It was only hyped because Froch like in many fights struggled so badly
     
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  14. Odins beard

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    You are actually a cancer to this forum.

    46-0 No blueprint, you work shy degenerate.
     
  15. HerolGee

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    you can run but you cant hide, mate.

    unless you are related to herbie hide that is.

    joking aside, cancer isnt a topic for this forum, please keep it classy, pal