Would modern Deontay Wilder be too small for the 80s/90s HW divison?

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    People commonly refer to the 80s and 90s as the emergence of the skilled SHWs.

    Wilder, while very tall, last fought at 216lb.
    And let's face it, weight classes aren't determined by height.
    Would he be too small for all those SHW world beaters?
     
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  2. BCS8

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    No. His frame makes up for the lack of weight.
     
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    Ok, just to summarize

    He'd be giving up from 10-35lb on guys like:

    Lewis
    Morrison
    Bowe
    Bruno
    Ruddock
    Tyson
    Holmes
    McCall
    Rahman
    Golota
    Briggs
    Tucker
    Grant


    He'd be the smallest of the pack.
    He'd be even lighter than Holyfield in many of his HW fights.


    You sure it's all good with that big frame?
    I mean he's gonna need it, right?
    These guys are good. And they hit hard. And there's a lot of them.
    Even Foreman had to turn into a SHW to content.
    You sure?
     
  4. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Yes. He is a big guy does not matter the weight. The 80s was not an era of particularly big guys
     
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  5. BCS8

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    I'm absolutely sure that his FRAME and WEIGHT would not stop him from being competitive.

    His abysmal technique, however, may well prove fatal.
     
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    Reznick is up to something. :thinking: I suspect, but I do not know, just yet, what that might be! :)
     
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    Interesting.
    A 216lber with abysmal technique.

    If I told you in 2013 that a man of that description would be the most feared HW belt holder in 5 years, what do you think your reaction would be?
     
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    I'd say that either

    a) the HW division sucked the hind tit, or
    b) that his reign was largely manufactured, or
    c) we need a new definition for "most feared" or
    d) all of the above

    I'll take (d).
     
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    Good to see reznick is back... I can't wait to hear more about long necks, thin arms and BMI.
     
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    But Lewis had a big frame + 35lb.
    Different leagues of fighter, no?

    And we can't draw a Foreman parallel, right?
    Because he only made his comeback after being enlightened about the evolving conditions of the division, making himself into a modern SHW.

    So Wilder compensates for being the smallest fighter of the pack of skilled SHWs with a big frame?
    A frame that nets him less than 217lb? Hmm
     
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    a) Doesn't that seem like a very quick dismissal of this supposed evolution in the sport? What happened to athletes becoming just bigger and better? If the division can just "suck the hind tit" because a 216lb fighter is running rampant, did the theory even have legs in the first place? Does this shatter that theory altogether?

    b) It's 2018. The sport is relatively fair. And he beat Ortiz by KO.

    c) Sure, take it.

    I notice that none of your reasons mention that a fighter of that size simply can be effective enough to be better than his much larger peers. Can this not be a plausible reason worth considering?
     
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  12. mcvey

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    No ,he was unusually light for the last fight I believe.I also believe a 220lbs man can handle a man of 250/60lbs ,talent being roughly equal. lol I just realized what you meant by "emergency"! I haven't been up long!
     
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  13. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I know youre all about them long necks, I gotchu.
     
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    It should be taken into account that quite a few of those 80's heavies were carrying spare tyres round their midriffs and jiggly titties. The fore runners of Chris Arreola and Andy Ruiz jnr,I haven't seen this Polish kid yet, but Im told he is of the same ilk.
     
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    He had the flu. But at the end of the day he defeated Luis Ortis by KO weighing 216lb.
    And he seems so comfortable having done so, that he is considering making himself even smaller to compete at a lower weight class.

    No worries, based on my spelling, its apparent ive been up for too long!
     
  16. reznick

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    Perhaps, but I'm talking about the revolutionary skilled SHWs that everyone has been talking about these last 5 years.