Harry Greb V Robinson,Ketchel,Monzon,Hagler.?

I favor Greb over all of these men except hagler ..but feel hagler at his best is a 50-50 proposition

Convince me otherwise ,klompton

Btw I just finished Greb book. Amazing stuff. Maybe the best fighter of all time.

He had a live shot against Dempsey over 10 rounds. Greb was too quick to catch cleanly

 

As pointed out, Greb was extremely durable, even against heavyweights... and even in his 23 fights against 12 Hall of Famers... even with one eye. I don't think any on this great list is going to spark him out when he has two good eyes and is fit and prime, not even Ketchel.

He would have to be favored over all on the list. Only Ray would have the Ring IQ to figure out a solution to his problems.

 

You are a big idiot

 

If we base it off of resume which in Grebs case we really have to I'll say Greb

 

I'm surprised at the Lamotta and Anutofermo comparison. I thought Greb used his feet much more. I always thought of Greb of fighting like Ken Overlin, "the poor man's Greb ", or like Joe Calzaghe. What fighter on film do you feel comes closest to emulating Greb?

 

He did use his feet, along with his elbows, and head in a windmill attack. I see Greb as a mix of a less refined but far more aggressive Joe Calzaghe with the durability and sometimes rule bending of Fritzie Zivic.

 

Greb v Robinson is a very interesting one. Robinson is pretty similar to the Tunney that Greb fought but nowhere near as Big (and consequently as strong or tough). I think it impossible to evision Robinson being competitive against this version of Tunney so theoretically Greb should have a much easier time. Robinson would need to rely competley on his speed upsetting Greb and i dont think it is likely to happen. We dont know, but he may even be the slower fighter and would certainly throw less punches. I think Greb starts a strong favourite and wins the decision.

Greb v Ketchell. Even if we assume Ketchell as great as those earlier writers who often considered him number one, i dont think that ketchell's power is anything that Greb hasnt proved he can deal with. And Grebs high work rate and in and out style is something which seems to have troubled Ketchell in the past. Greb is strong favourite again to win a wide decision.

Greb v Hagler. As brutal as Hagler is, it is nothing Greb hasnt faced before. Haglers great chin is less of an advantage here, as he is up against speed and combinations (we think). Different style of fighters obviously, but Leonard was able to get in and out with speed a little bit and frustrate Hagler. I think the same can happen here. Especially if Hagler tries to be cute and outbox Greb. Perhaps throwing away a few rounds by boxing Southpaw. This one is going to be a points decision, most likely and i think it will be close. Hagler wont be able to get set to land cleanly too often. I see Greb as a slight favourite to win by close points decision.

Greb v Monzon. This is a tough fight to envision. I am not sure who Greb fought that was stylistically close to Monzon. Theoretically, Greb should be able to pick Monzon off quite easily (relatively speaking) and Monzon's heavy hands are not as likely to land as that of Hagler. But still, i just cant see Greb beating Monzon. I see Monzon remaining clam and not put off by Greb's swarming style and his judging of distance seeing him time Greb on the way in, which despite the lack of speed and even power compared to some of Grebs victims, does allow Monzon to put Greb off his game. I think Monzon should start a slight favourite to win by points. I actually dont think a late stoppage is out of the question, if Monzon is on his game early and causes greb problems. Grebs record is too good to rely on it though.

 

With no real basis to support it (lack of film of Greb), I believe Hagler of the above is the best fit to beat him ... although one cannot count out SRR in any scenario.

I think Hagler has the attitude, skill and strength to back up a swarmer like Greb and would be willing to go to war in a sustained battle. You damned sure don’t hurt or stop Hagler, so you’ve got to beat him by attrition. I think prime Hagler wears down anyone who goes toe to toe with him and wins a competitive but clear decision here.

 

I think Monzon has Grebs beating reach, power and ability to control the distance winning him the fight, only possible leveller would be how much leniency would Greb be afforded in his methods of getting inside by the ref.

If Greb and Monzon continued their tête-à-tête out on the street as Greb is alleged to have done postfight with Walker,, i feel sure neither fighter would have shied away from going for the pavement arena title. i for one would not be volunteering to intervene to stop them

 

Ketchel's life outside the ring is more impressive than inside the ring.
Monzon....Greb too big, too tough.
Hagler....this would be a bloodbath. Hagler's sheer determination to win cancels out Greb's non stop punches. UD15 Hagler.

SRR...i don't see anyone beating him at 160-165 in his prime. He figures Greb out after a couple rounds, drops Greb twice on the way to a 15UD.

 

How many Harry Greb films have you seen? Who did Greb fight that resembled Robinson? I recall Greb losing to Gibbons both Mike and Tommy. They resemble cheesecake more than they did Robinson. Was it George Chip then? The guy you hype up in your book to be some world beater. The dude was a B level fighter at best and Greb couldn't beat him until Chip was a losing fighter.

Lamotta and Greb have nothing in common besides chin and body punching. Lamotta wore guys down by constantly coming forward. Greb threw a lot of punches (by 1910s standards) with great speed and footwork. Not that good of an indicator of how Greb would do against Robinson.

Antuofermo doesn't resemble Greb in the slightest.

 

Robinson would beat Greb up. Greb is a very overrated fighter. A great fighter, top 5 p4p, but he's spoken about as if he would beat anyone under 200 lbs. The reality is he lost to many fighters the first time he faced them. Some of them it took him years to beat. Robinson was just another breed. Could box, punch, slug, he could do it all. Just using common sense I think it's safe to say that we'd be both impressed and disappointed if we saw Greb on film.

 

I understand the argument some make about Greb and film. That being said there is a considerable film on his opponents as well as a ton of first hand reporting on the man so he did exist and was not romanticized to the degree a filmed guy like Dempsey was .. my initial point is either you believe in him or not .. I do.

Greb's stamina, speed, chin and conditioning were what made him. I feel he was too much for Ketchel who would not hit him hard or often enough. I feel his iron chin and swarming speed would be too much for Robinson who while an exceptional fighter was not the middleweight he was a welterweight. I think he can out punch Monzon who I find a bit overrated personally. Super tough without question but I see Greb as too fast. For me Hagler is the toughest fight based on styles and it could go either way but the longer the distance the edge is to Greb on stamina .. All are competitive fights and there are no KO's but I see Greb's speed, chin and stamina as a very tough match up at 160 ..