Anyone here read "Live Fast, Die Young the Life and Times of Harry Greb"?

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    His username is @klompton2 hopefully he makes a comment on this, he might have plenty more info. than what people are guessing from ITT.
     
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  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I donate to the United Negro College Fund. Am I a bad person?
     
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  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I dont know.

    The more pertinent question I'd ask a philanthropic stud like you is: Do you call, or talk about black people using that label? And if so, do you think it's right to use a donation as a pass to do so?
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    When discussing James Baldwin, yes. When filling out a US federal form a year ago, yes. When discussing W.E.B. Dubois and Booker Washington, yes. When discussing Mark Stewart's band, yes.
     
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  5. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    How so? As in you refer to him as one?
    Or when you're talking about his book with that word in his title?

    Clearly you're ignoring my question. Which was whether or not you call or label black people with that word. Not the terminology used in outdated forms. (By the way, the word was banned from US Federal documents by Obama. Wanna take a gander on why?)

    So you use the word when referring to names of works by artists, but not when referring to actual people?
    So I take it that your answer is no?

    Sorry, hard to sift through all this willful ignorance.

    Cool man
     
  6. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I’ve read the book. It’s very informative. I’ve talked a lot with Steve Compton. He is definitely not a racist by any means
     
  7. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Newpapers, books, and common language of the time all used the word Negro and this includes print I've seen from South America also.
     
  8. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here in Russia the usage of word 'negro' was never a problem when referring to black people, until all that tolerant, political correctness **** was imported here in the 90s. If you were doing bad things to black people in USA, that doesn't mean everyone else must stop using that word.
     
  9. FrankinDallas

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    You think grown men wouldn't use offensive terms for their name then accuse someone else of being a racist due to his actions in a long ago event. Then castigate a writer for using the word Negro right out of a nearly 100 yr old newspaper article.
     
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  10. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Seems to me this is a bit of a personal attack on the author by ripping a pretty good book. I can certainly understand not being a fan of the guy but the work follows the structure Pollack branded with his excellent line of books. Laforce also did a terrific job with the same template w his Choynski book. I think he did a very good job.
     
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  11. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    No I'm saying it was highly likely and given context of the incident as well as the account of the event it's very probable he was. Sorry but Greb was a racist. A fantastic fighter but a racist none the less and he was in the wrong during that incident. Whatever the black guy did to the white women it didn't warrant an angry mob surrounding him then a professional fighter battering him and mob chasing him into a building. If he had grabbed their asses or touched them/threatened them, etc then it would have said much more than "harassed". Harassing aka being black in a white neighborhood.
     
  12. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Mr.DagoWop isn't racist. It's a term that white people gave to us now you're getting on me for using it? That's like calling a black guy racist for calling himself the n word but ending in an "a". I seriously hope you're not a conservative white guy in his 40s. That would be a spot on stereotype.

    He wasn't citing a newspaper article so you're lying. He was retelling what happened. I've never seen anyone make that sort of mistake. It's not like a text message or post on a forum where you usually don't reread what you say. It's a published book that I'm sure Compton edited and revised multiple times.

    Now unless you have something meaningful to add to the thread then please don't respond. Thank you.
     
  13. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I'm just not a fan of blatant and overt bias. The book is dripping with it. Don't get me wrong there's lots of good information but to someone who isn't so bright they might actually believe that George Chip was some great world class fighter.
     
  14. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You realize this book was written in the 21st century right?
     
  15. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Don't know if you were being sarcastic or not. If you are serious then I say it doesn't weaken your argument really at all. He had close enough to 100 fight. Nobody's perfect, with all these numbers and records flying around nobody should be expected to be 100% accurate all the time.

    It's not so much that I don't consider him a legit champ it's that he was a very weak champ. He was definitely not the best in the division and imo the champion should be the best in the division or near it. He had 37 wins and 22 losses by the time he won the championship. Sure he was on a good patch of his career but that was against less than stellar opposition.

    I'm not quite sure that those two are equivalent. Tbh I'd consider Mayorga a better fighter than George Chip. Had there been one title then I don't think Mayorga would have been champ. Like you said Mayorga lost to the majority of the world class opponents he faced but he didn't lose to too many non-world class fighters except at the beginning and ends of his career.

    I'm sure Compton knows quite a few things about the era than me too but now I'll think it over a few times before taking his word as the end all be all and I advise others to do the same.

    Appreciate your posts.
     
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