Carl Froch sets the record straight on who would have won if he fought Calzaghe

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  1. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    End of the day we can all agree that super Joe Calzaghe was the greatest ever at 168......46 and 0.......No blueprint.
     
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  2. HerolGee

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    even "jeff leacy", meaning joes 2nd defence was crap.

    there we go, easy game to play.
     
  3. Odins beard

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    Calzaghe never fought anyone called Jeff Leacy
     
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  4. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    shame for you they were about separate topics, which ruins any basis for that comeback.

    dont worry i am not going to search back and quote you from ages ago, not unless you keep this up, so not need to be cagey, i am not doing that to a good pal who is a bit misled. I dont hurt my pals.
     
  5. JOSEY WALES

    JOSEY WALES Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes Jeff Lacy was **** Joe told his dad that in the corner after the second round I clearly heared Joe say it ringside to his father in the corner , Jeff Lacy had no buisiness being in the same ring as Joe same as the already beaten Bute ( by Andrade in their first fight ) had zero business being in with Froch in probably Carls " Best win " see we could go on and on it's just opinion.
     
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  6. DoubleJ

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    No, we can't.
     
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  7. Odins beard

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    Ohhhhh yes we can....
     
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  8. bailey

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    Silly comment for several reasons.
    1. Ward was not a factor at SMW when Calzaghe was active. Thats like saying A Joshua never faced a prime M Tyson like B Douglas did. Ridiculous to say the least
    2. You have to look at who was a factor at the times in question and at the times in question when Carl fought Ward and Calzaghe fought Kessler, Kessler was a bigger fight and possibly a better opponent. Ward was only 24-0 whilst Kessler was a 39-0 unified champ with a greater resume, more world title fights and fought on the road
    3. Calzaghe had beaten Eubank a far greater SMW with far greater pedigree than any other at that time.
    Once again another ridiculous comment. Sometimes fighters can be ruined from a fight in many ways not just physical. So with your logic we have to say that Bute and Dirrell werent a good win for Froch then?
    Eubank went up to CW having to put weights in his clothes to appear heavier and pushed a massive punching prime champ to a close debatable decision. The same CW who when faded and past best beat undefeated Haye and only fighter to beat Haye at CW
    Why do you rate Kessler as solid? Lets hear why?
    Now if you think that is Calzaghes only win, then you really are completely clueless and shouldnt even bother posting on here about things you know nothing about.
    Tell me who all these names are that you rate so much more highly for, for Froch.
    Same question being asked that you ducked previously
     
  9. Loudon

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    I have huge doubts that Joe would have faced Ward and Bute like Carl did.

    Andre Dirrell was more talented than Veit, but it's a shame he didn't possess more mental strength. Definitely unfulfilled potential there.
     
  10. Loudon

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    Based on stats.
     
  11. bailey

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    Of course you do Loudon lol because Calzaghe never ducked any SMW and you know that but suddenly you think he would.
    So how was Bute suddenly someone who you think Calzaghe would avoid when he fought Lacy who was a similar type of threat.
    also Ward was a 24-0 fighter who had struggled with a rusty version of Bika when Carl fought him and Calzaghe fought when past best a 39-0 Kessler

    You are just wanting a debate Loudon but this is weak even for you.


    as for Dirrell being more talented than Veit. Based on what?
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You have to look at facts when we call someone a great and at SMW Calzaghe was the most accomplished SMW ever. That really upsets many posters on ESB.
    The name Calzaghe makes many very insecure
     
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  13. HerolGee

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    based on veit being shyt. only you think hes some kind of God.
     
  14. Loudon

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    I think there's a huge chance that he wouldn't have fought Ward or Bute.

    If you don't agree, that's okay.

    My opinion is based off of watching Joe's career play out in it's entirety.

    There's plenty of evidence to back up my opinion. Most notably, him saying that he didn't want tough fights and the fact that he killed himself to defend a lightly regarded WBO belt for 10 years. As well as stating that he wouldn't fight Tarver, Pavlik or Dawson, as they didn't excite him and they'd done nothing to warrant a fight with him.

    All of the above is factual information. So it's not laughable to suggest that he may have swerved them.

    Lacy and Bute were nothing alike. Completely different match ups stylistically.

    Regarding Veit, why do you hype him so much? If Joe hadn't have beaten him, I'm sure you wouldn't even acknowledge him. Do you seriously think that Joe would have beaten Andre Dirrell with absolute ease like how he did with Veit? I'm not interested in your stats of who beat who that went on to beat....etc. If you have a functioning pair of eyes and an understanding of the sport, then you know that Andre Dirrell was a better fighter than Mario Veit. He was a real talent who should have achieved more than what he did.
     
  15. Loudon

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    Yes he was. But that doesn't make him a better SMW than prime versions of Roy Jones and Andre Ward.

    What if they'd also have had 44 fights at the weight like Joe did?