Lebedev's back vs Gassiev, surely he was on some Juicy Juice.

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  1. FastSmith7

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    He was a lot smaller in his other fights, his back looks like someone put a Spartan shield underneath his skin
     
  2. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What top athlete isn't on something?

    All elite athletes take something, but at the end of the day performance enhancers alone only take you so far, which is why I think it's laughable people made such a big deal about Lance Armstrong taking substances when they all do it, since at the end of the day Lance was still the best. The best athletes will find a way to win by hook or crook whether it means taking substances are outright cheating if they can get away with it.
     
  3. shanahan14

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    Seriously?

    That's a pretty poor way of putting it. No, not every elite athlete is on something. I would say plenty are, but not everyone. Also, there is a huge difference between taking anabolic steroids vs. a diuretic to help cut the extra pound. Saying they all do it is a huge cop out. Something a Canelo fan would say.
     
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    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Have you ever competed in division 1 level sports or competed as a professional athlete?

    Also, how is it a cop out when you say every top athlete doesn't take something, but imply diuretics are readily used and acceptable as compared to steroids. Diuretics are still a substance that gives athletes a huge advantage, since they allow bigger fighters to cut down and fight in lower weight classes. I doubt you are for same day weighins, since that would really level the playing field.

    Usyk, Gassiev, and most other cruiserweights over 6'2" would never get below 200 lbs without diuretics just like diuretics allowed Canelo to stay at 154 lbs for years.

    Also, most fighters get hand injections regularly. Even one of my favorite fighters Muhammad Ali regularly got novacaine injections in his hands. Floyd Mayweather and Carl Frotch both admitted that they wouldn't have been able to keep fighting if they couldn't receive their hand injections.

    At the end of the day when you constantly push your body to the limit like these elite athletes do training, sleeping, and eating isn't enough to stay at the top level, which is why they use steroids and other substances, since if they aren't willing someone else will be and no top athlete is going to leave millions of dollars on the table.
     
  5. shanahan14

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    Personally no, but I have a friend who was a Division 1 offensive lineman. He was cut from the NFL during tryouts, but was still an elite athlete. I can assure you he never took any PEDs.

    My problem with your logic is you are putting everyone under one umbrella. Go take a look at Kevin Randleman who took steroids, then take a look at Brian Ortega who took a banned diuretic. Those guys don't even look like the same species. I've never really given a **** about guys taking pre-workout that happens to contain a banned substance. But guys who are on the sauce have a massive advantage. Or guys taking TRT when it was allowed in the UFC. As soon as it was banned, those same guys deflated immediately.

    I don't agree with the 100% of people are taking PEDs. I do think many are though, they just know how to beat the tests.
     
  6. Birmingham

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    How did it land on him so heavy ?? I agree, especially cycling there are PEDS, but its like someone threw him under a bus
     
  7. Birmingham

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    I honestly think its "most" more than "many"..So many top boxers are proven cheats or have had a cloud under them it seems
     
  8. Jackomano

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    I asked that question because at that level everyone has a choice to make. If you do any level of intense training it requires a certain level of recovery time, which isn't always afforded to elite and in demand athletes, which is why steroids and other substances become a necessity. Also, your friend getting cut may have been for the best, since I've known plenty of NFL players and they all take steroids, codine, Vicodin, and all kinds of other things just to keep their spot and to also play while injured, since the NFL is ruthless and will cut anyone without a moments hesitation.

    Also, I know plenty about the UFC. One of my best friends, who is a very talented fighter won The Ultimate Fighter and even he would tell you that steroid use is a necessity when the money starts rolling in, since the UFC doesn't give a crap about a fighter needing the proper time to heal in between injuries and fights. If you need more time you get cut unless you are a high drawing fighter, which few are.

    You can't judge steroid use based on appearance alone. Depending on what you eat, how you train, and how you rest will determine what your body looks like while on steroids and it's also important to remember everybody responds differently to steroids. That said I still don't see why it's such a big deal, since even with steroids these are still very talented athletes, but people have to realize that the human body has limitations. No amount of steroids will make an average fighter an elite fighter, but they can be useful in helping an elite fighter stay on top longer than they would without them.

    Brian Ortega also takes steroids don't be fooled.

    The California State Athletic Commission revealed on Friday that Ortega tested positive for the anabolic steroid drostanalone after his victory over Mike de la Torre in a featherweight bout. The former Resurrection Fighting Alliance champion was suspended for nine months and fined $2,500, pending an appeal. His win was changed to a no contest.
    http://m.sherdog.com/news/news/Brian-Ortega-Apologizes-for-Failed-Drug-Test-at-UFC-on-Fox-12-72371
     
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    I think Lance just happened to be the most convenient target, since he was such a household name. But, I agree that maybe Lance stepped on the wrong person's toes and was thrown under the bus for it.
     
  10. Birmingham

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    Smacks of it to me..Was he arrogant ?? By **** they obliterated him
     
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    Good call, you're right and that's my mistake. I must be mixing him up with another fighter who tested positive for a diuretic opposed to steroids.

    Like I said though, you and I can agree to disagree. You don't care about PEDs and I do. You think everyone is on them and I don't. There is an argument to be made both ways and I respect your opinion. I simply just don't like when it gets thrown out by some people. Some guys blatantly juice and their performance suffers when they get clean. Others never have these types of problems.