[GIF] George Foreman thows 7 quick jabs in sparring (Great Quality)

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  1. klompton2

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    Because I paid to have that film transferred to digital.
     
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  2. reznick

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    Had a feeling.
    And I'm assuming they have no better info as to the origins than you do.

    Speaking of film transfers, there are very exciting and emerging open sourced AI algorithms coming about that do a tremendous job at restoring film. And they basically only work for raw 2K transfers.


    When I saw this I thought about you and your collection:

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    My information comes from the owners of the film, who filmed it.

    That side by side comparison is deceptive. The “before” transfer is an unprofessional transfer accomplished by filming a screen on which the film is being projected. You can tell by the flicker and darkness around the edges. The “after” is an actual digital transfer accomplished by scanning the image and color correcting it. They may have used a plugin or program to accomplish the look but you can do the same thing with pre-existing technology by hand in five minutes after the digital transfer is accomplished. I would totally disregard the side by side because no professional transfer looks like that. Its like having a four year old paint the mona lisa and then comparing it side by side with davinci and saying “look at this new technique”
     
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  4. reznick

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    The "before" version is just the raw footage in its raw format.
    The "after" is after the scanning, touch ups, and custom plugins.

    The guy who made it actually described the process:

    First, get it digitized at a proper facility, in 2k resolution. Ask if they use a film scanner, which scans each individual frame of the film as a picture and then combines them into a video, vs say a camera pointed at a projector (a telecine).

    You also want the raw video that comes off the film scanner. If they do any kind of conversion on the video, it's basically useless.

    The tools I use are AviSynth, VirtualDub and a bunch of different scripts for stabilization, noise removal, dust removal, autolevelling, an hdr script, a script to mask overexposed areas, and then interpolation (digitally faking frames)

    I took a bunch of stuff from this script

    https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=144271

    And cobbled it together with some other scripts into an improved version I coded myself. The other scripts are as follows. I also tweaked some settings and modified things.

    http://avisynth.nl/index.php?title=AutoAdjust&redirect=no - This is an autolevelling script that does a better job in my opinion.

    https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1522100

    These are a bunch of scripts for contrast enhancement and highlight limiting. Most 8mm home movies are shot with little regard for lighting so these help boost low dark lit areas and bring down overexposed areas using intelligent masking.

    I also use a different interpolation than in the first script, I find this plugin works much better.

    https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Manual:SVPflow

    This is all not for the faint of heart. I have a masters in Media Production and am a web developer by trade, and even this took me a while to figure out.

    Let me know if you have any questions.

    EDIT: I really must give a shout out to "videoFred", the original creator of a lot of these scripts and plugins for AVIsynth. I've heavily attributed his work, but added my own improvements here and there. Perhaps I should share my scripts back to the community.
     
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  5. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Well said
     
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  6. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    He did emulate the young clay style at that time
     
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  7. klompton2

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    Right, thats exactly what Im saying.
     
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  8. Glass City Cobra

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    The stance is interesting, leaving the right hand to the side with the thumb up can actually generate a lot of power if you have strong shoulders and forearms. However, it obviously leaves you open to left hooks and left body shots or uppers, but youd need to be brave enough to stand in range for Foreman's right hand to land them in the first place!
     
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    His body was way thicker than Ali`s here!
     
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  10. Mark Adam

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    That is Foreman! Have a look at his back in other fights, WTF?! It wasn`t that quick, George`s hand sped wasn`t tat bad anyway. (in his first career).
     
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  11. reznick

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    I'm sorry, whats deceptive about using the raw footage as the "before" in this comparison?
    Not sure I understand. They're not two transfers.

    The before is the raw footage .
    The after is post-digitization, with effects, plugins, and scripts, some of which were custom made.

    Maybe you were thinking that the before and after were both 2k scans, with the difference being the scripts and plugins. But that's not the case, and he didn't present it in that manner.

    At any rate, have you had a chance to mess with some of these plugins and scripts for your footage? I know you do a lot of digital transfers, and it seems as though you could benefit immensely from using them to create stunning restorations, if you aren't already.

    I think there is even one that corrects the film speed issue we've talked about. Some of these newer scripts use neural networking to constantly improve upon themselves.
     
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  12. reznick

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    @klompton2

    Have you see this?

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    The latest in restoration techniques look fantastic.
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Young man you know your stuff! You lost me immediately,lol
     
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  14. reznick

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    We're a product of our time and what motivates us.

    Klompton has far greater knowledge in this area than I do.
    And has practical experience in vital areas.

    All the restoration work I've done has been using unsophisticated post-production techniques in a sophisticated manner.

    I am a techie though. So I keep up with the state of software.
    And boy are there some exciting things beyond the horizon.
    AI and Machine Learning are at the spearhead stage. And they will have profound effects on film and other media.
    The neural network scripts are fairly new, and very exciting because they self improve.
     
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  15. klompton2

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    Because you arent comparing a professionally transferred capture with some “new technique.” Calling it “raw footage” doesnt mean anything. Its not a term applied to this situation. If you used your cell phone to film a 4k movie and then showed it side by side with an actual 4k the 4k file would look amazing compared to the cell phone video even though both sources were originally 4k. So to show the unprofessional transfer on the left which was accomplished by filming a screen and the scanned version on the right doesnt tell us anything. The original film might look fantastic and have brilliant color without any restoration if it was actually a professional transfer. Thats my point, its a deceptive comparison. The guy you quoted says it all in his first sentence when he says the first step is to get it professionally scanned. Thats not some new technique and neither is the color tampering hes discussing. Thats just whats done as a matter of course. Weve gone over this before where youve mistaken what is essentially an amateur transfer and compared it with an actual transfer and said “look at this digital restoration.” But simply scanning a film is not restoring it, nor is simply changing the color temperature, saturation, etc.
     
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