Luis Ortiz - The man, the myth.....No legend.

The Jennings and Thompson performances were really good. Thats why he got the hype.

Scuba Scott is actually underrated. And he was in survival mode than night. So it's no wonder he managed to survive.

David Allen put on a great performance that night. He kept sticking his lead hand out there, controlling Ortiz. And he was constantly feinting Ortiz as well. Ortiz was forced to take his time. It was a chess match that no one expected.

It's also the time period his hype started to fade. What made people excited again was that he was the best guy Wilder had fought in years. No one else was really calling out Ortiz.

 

Ortiz would body bag Whyte but hey peanut head pulled a quack quack
So why side step the old man if he ain’t szhit???

 

He's no boogeyman.

Nobody had heard of him then he got a highlight reel ko over that Jenson guy, beat a few bums and that's it.

But Wilder's resume is so **** that all his fanboys HAVE to proclaim ortiz is some beast to give Wilder's resume some tiny amount of credibility.

 

Who the **** bought them up?

And I give takam a VERY good shot of beating old boy ortiz

He gave povetkin all he could handle for many rounds and ortis has 7 round stamina

 

Who's resume is heads and tails above Ortiz
or his resume that's in the top 10? (This question includes the titlists)

 

Spot on. Some of the Wilder fanboys trying to claim that Ortiz was better than the Klitschko that AJ beat. Klitschko an ATG v a guy who`s only belt was the one keeping his pants up.

 

This. Malik Scott is very skilled and has excellent footwork, but spent too many years as a sparring partner for top fighters and it ruined him, since most long time sparring partners end up with poor durability and no killer instinct left. That ref in the Ortiz-Scott fight deserved a bonus, since he forced Scott to earn his paycheck.

Holmes even admitted that he had to stop being Ali and Frazier's sparring partner if he was going to go anywhere in his career, since he investing too much time in their camps and accumulating a lot of wear and tear.

Allen also has potential, but doesn't seem dedicated enough to fulfill it. He came in with a great strategy and executed it well, but was just too experienced for Ortiz.

 

I expected Allen expose Yoka(Not beat him). I knew Allen had got his **** together. But that only lasted for one fight and boy did it show.
He was a damn punching bag vs Yoka. Yet against Ortiz he was feinting, moving, probing. Looking for counters and even forcing Ortiz to make mistakes.
Against Yoka he just walked in, hands up high and took a beating.

 

He had to labour against that opposition or Wilder would never of faced him, he would of gone back to his "i dont fight drug cheats" thing and booked a Scott rematch.

 

Scott should've campaigned at cruiserweight. The problem is that the limit was still 190 when he was a prospect, so he bulked up which never looked especially natural for him. His chance against a Klitschko was about zero and I doubt the guys with lesser belts like Chagaev and Povetkin were interested in fighting him. I wonder what he earned as a sparring partner and why he went that route because fringe contenders rarely skip a few prime years in favor of sparring.

 

He's worthy of a ranking in the top 5 heavyweights even if you don't rate the Jennings win, which I don't, but he got close to beating Wilder, was out boxing him and had him badly hurt before Wilder's power bailed him out like it usually does.

But the idea that he was some avoided heavyweight who put the fear of God in every top heavyweight is a load of BS. This guy ducked Ustinov twice and if he was such a monster why on earth did Jennings pick him as him come back opponent after the Wlad loss? Yes after you first loss the best idea is the fight the most feared heavyweight around, right?

The Jennings win is overrated. People saw Jennings take 4 rounds off Wlad in a reasonably competitive fight and then he was crushed easily by Ortiz and then some assumed Ortiz was something he was not. But you have to remember Jennings success was probably more to do with how faded Wlad was rather than how good Jennings was and Jennings also fought a stupid fight vs Ortiz. Jennings can't punch and he basically went toe to toe with a bigger, harder, counter puncher and unsurprisingly got starched.

Jennings remember had a very close fight with Mike Perez, Perez was iced in 1 by Povetkin. So what do you think Povetkin would have done to Ortiz's best win in Jennings? Povetkin would most likely have brutally KO'ed Jennings too.

Ortiz is good but he's also flawed and past his best. The way he struggled vs Scott and Allen wasn't intimidating anyone, in fact it probably made Wilder think this guy was ready to be taken.

 

Ya Scott was definitely a natural CW and sucks the limit was 190 when he started off, almost the exact same size, frame, and build as USS Cunningham. And you're right, legit contenders tend to focus their prime years on winning money and pro fights, not as being the main help for someone else's unless they mainly got into pro boxing for financial reasons. Maybe when his prime was beginning he couldn't afford to gamble on his own career, which is sad but I'm sure pretty plausible.

 

You're off base here. Jennings-Ortiz was not set to be a showcase for Jennings. Nobody gave a crap about Jennings. A lot of the motive was for a top WBA ranking. Ortiz was favored but performed better than expected.

Triangle theories don't work. Jennings looked better against Wlad than Povetkin so what does that say? He also beat Perez and Spilzka before Povetkin and Wilder.

 

Just doing the math, Kevin Johnson's prime years, talent-level, and demographics were about the same as those of Scott. Let's say his prime was 2008-2011. He had seven forgettable fights and a shot at Vitali during that time. Let's say he made 1.7 million over four years. That's 425k per year. After training, taxes, and manager expenses, he might've taken home 200k per year if he had a good accountant. And that's with most of his earnings hinging on getting the title shot which was no guarantee.

Scott probably took home a number slightly less than that each year when he was sitting out and doing sparring (no training and management expense) and hanging out in resort-like K-bro camps. I also think he was under contract to Goosen during that time so I wouldn't surpised if they paid him a little bit to.

Corrrection: He had a bad biceps injury so he may have sat out completely for some of that period.

 

The problem is you guys would rate him number 2 if he had defeated Wilder who was saved by the bell.

You then say he's not a good fighter and at 48 he proved he was bc what I just mentioned....

How good is he closer to 49 ?

Good enough to defeat anyone outside Joshua at any given night unless his next fight clearly shows otherwise.

Joshua , Ortiz and Joyce are the only dominate 3 top guys that can stuff aggressive fighters which is why they don't lose rounds!