TRUTH — Oscar Says Prime Manny Pacquiao Beats Floyd Mayweather... EASILY.

Pac was a teenager fighting drown men seasoned fighters,
Hew was fighting to feed hos family on sheer guts alone
Meanwhile Floyd was being cossetted through the amateurs & the Olympics He did legitimately get beat in the Olympics BTW
The grounding they had showed in their perfrormances
Pac = FIGHTER !!!
Floyd= Cossetted Prima Donna

 

Stop your nonsense about a head to head matchup between Marquez and Mayweather proving who the better boxer is.
NONSENSE!
You don't factor any variables what so ever when you conveniently state that.

I can list a hoard full of factors, but only three will suffice for this argument.

1. Mayweather had every convievable physical advantage over Marquez. Name me just one physical advantage in Marquez favor???

2. A fighter moving up 2 weight divisions without a strenghth and conditioning coach, Just Nacho having Marquez do it the way they did it back in the Stone age by having Marquez lift and throw heavy rocks over his head.
Going back and watching some of the footage of Marquez training for Mayweather is like watching an episode of the Flinstones. LOL!

3. Age Only an idiot would think that was anywhere near a prime Marquez.


For God's sake, Mayweather avoided particular fighters his whole career to avoid not being that fighter that was under a physical disadvantage.
Chose not to fight Amir Khan because Khan was the same body type as he was plus Khan would be the much faster fighter being much younger than he was.


Tell me this?????? Why on earth did Mayweather have to excessively clinch and hold on to Pacquiao every
time Pacquiao got within sniffing distance of him?
If Mayweather is so Superior boxistically as you claim, why make it an ugly foulfest fight against Pacquiao that has the fight fans feeling like they were dooped and cheated????

I'll tell you this right now, if Mayweather would have beaten Pacquiao using what you say is his superior boxing skills. Had he scored points using his jab, and kept Pacquiao at bay and hesitant to come inside by shooting a straight right like Floyd typically does vs lesser fighters, the fans would have been content with that.
………...but to clinch and hold and stop all action everytime Pacquiao made any offensive move was boring and left the fans feeling cheated.
Be real here, Mayweather used his size and strenghth and incorporated wrestling, and this is a man you say has Superior boxing skills????

 

PBF especially at the time Pac fought him was going to simply to what he had to do to get the win. Why would he not clinch Pac when 1. he was the bigger and stronger man 2. Pac doesn't like it and 3. Pac can't fight on the inside. PBF is simply too obssessed with winning to allow the fight to go any other way and he's too smart to fight the other guy's fight., He didn't remain undefeated by fighting another man's fight. If JMM had this mindset instead of exchanging like a fool at times with him, perhaps he'd be 4-0 against Pac, but he didn't and he paid for it by getting dropped and taking Ls. What PBF did it worked and he was effective by doing so and it was easy. So why change? Just to make you happy? But don't act as if that was all he did because he didn't he gave Pac a boxing lesson in if I remember correctly was the 10th or 11th round where he timed him with right hands made Pac miss and countered him he boxed beautifully that round.

What you keep failing to realize is this was not a prime PBF as I already told you in my previous post. Even though all you claim he did was hold Pac which isn't true BTW why couldn't Pac mount a real attack? Why did Maidana have more success than Pac did attacking PBF and making him uncomfortable? I'll tell you why 1. PBF hit Pac with a clean counter very early in the first round of that fight which put something on Pac's mind about coming like that. 2 Pac simply wasn't willing to sell out like Maidana was in order to try to beat PBF. What really happened was PBF controlled range and dictated distance on his ass and he would have done this at any point of their careers. Pac was easy neutralized and it was one of PBF's easiest fights in recent memory.

As far as JMM goes he's not a better boxer than PBF and PBF beat JMM with boxing ability not size. There's a reason why JMM was willing to fight Pac 4 times but never wanted to rematch PBF again despite a career high payday and a shot at redemption and that's because he knew he couldn't beat PBF at his own game. He can't outbox the outboxer, he realized it why can't you?

Lastly don't even bring up Amir Khan again. He's lost damn near every time he stepped up. Just because he has fast hands you think that is enough to trouble a master boxer? Lets just overlook that Khan is chinny fights dumb has **** footwork pushes his punches can't fight on the inside and is a front runner. Oh but he has fast hands LMFAO!!! You sound like a novice, log off.

 

I'll just say this Floyd and his fans can never claim to have done what Marquez did with Pacquiao. It was JMM who went to hell and back with a prime Pacquiao twice and never clinched. Pac at that time was knocking out everybody. After he knocked out Barrera he pretty much wiped out the entire world psychologically except Marquez.

Flash forward to 2015 and Pac had been in 4 wars with Marquez, 3 with Morales, 2 with Barrera, 1 with Cotto and 1 with Margarito. And fighting at weight he had no business at.

When people say that Marquez and Floyd fought the same fighter in Manny Pacquiao they are insulting the intelligence of every poster here.

 

I can say the same thing about PBF. If you say Pac and JMM fought the same fighter in PBF they are insulting the intelligence of every poster here. PBF's last prime fight was JMM.

 

Is this the same Oscar that can’t stay sober or the one who’s taking kitchen utensils up his butt?!? I need to know which Oscar is speaking

 

PimpC knows it, but there's no reasoning with him to get to admit that Mayweather would have a hell of a time trying to outbox Pacquiao without using excessive clinching and holding tactics.
Mayweather simply could not do what Marquez has done his entire career, fistically box!

Manuever the ring, and using waist and head movements is how Marquez played it defensively against Pacquiao.
That truly is what boxing is about. Clinching and wrestling shouldn't factor into it.

Just look at the fight. Every time Pacquiao made an aggressive move toward Mayweather, Mayweather held.

There was very little clean punching on either side and it was mainly due to Mayweather forcing a halt to the action by forceably getting into a clinch.


To PimpC……...It happened to many times vs Pacquiao to say that's called boxing.
I mean repeatedly forcing clinches over and over again when you haven't even been hit, is not what boxing is about.

Where was the clean punching? I was looking for Mayweather to step to the side drill Pacquiao with right hands.
Never happened.
I was looking for Mayweather to time Pacquiao coming in shooting his left, take a half step back and drill him with a straight right down the pike.
Never happened.

Most of Mayweather scoring came with pawing stuff and partial connects, never really commiting to punch with any effectiveness for fear that it opens the window for Pacquiao.

I understand the safety first approach against a fighter like Pacquiao, but to be allowed to excessively hold is something Mayweather is lucky that referees nowdays allow fighters like him to get away with.

Mano a mano the way the sport is meant to be fought, I have real doubts Mayweather could do against any version of Pacquiao, much less the Kamikazee version of Pacquiao that Marquez took to school in fight one with Pacquiao.
I mean think about it, if the rules are that you cant initiate a clinch, Floyd likely does not beat Manny Pacquiao.

 

The clinching was annoying and it's wrong, but I'm just as alarmed with FMJ's reluctance to fight anybody with a physical advantage over him. Besides the Corrales fight I struggle to find a fight where FMJ fearlessly took on a man with who was the physicality advantage.

We saw against Judah how irritated he got when Judah was faster than him. He was beating him to the punch until he gassed and Mayweather started to outskill him. Mosley landed a hard right hand and he was almost 40 years old. Mayweather was rocked to his core by an old, shot fighter. Imagine if Mosley was 10 years younger? He'd have jumped all over him. DLH was shoving him around the ring with ease. But he was 5 years past his prime. That seems to be a patter for him. Avoid anybody with a size and physicality advantage.

Guys like Williams, Margarito, Brook, Thurman and Khan were just too young and physical for him. It's far more attractive for him to fight a tiny older fighter like Guerrero or Marquez.

 

This is ridiculous. Clinching is part of the sport but when a fighter you don't like does it you want to change the rules and make up what if scenarios and other stupid ****. If Pac was so dynamic and could simply overwhelm PBF with power speed workrate and angles like his fans said for years, as if boxing is a video game, then why didn't he? Why couldn't he? He looked to be a step slower than PBF all night long. PBF landed more punches and power punches, he outworked and outlanded Pac. You're putting all the blame on PBF yet none on Pac? Why did Pac land with a career low connect % and threw a career low in punches? LMFAO!
Because he was in with a guy who makes you drop your workrate and have a career low connect % That's why. Pac wasn't the first fighter to have this happen to him when he faced the master, wake up!

People like me tried telling you for years that Pac wouldn't simply run through a defensive counter puncher like PBF but you wouldn't listen to sound well thought out analysis. Wishful thinking will only take you so far next time listen and learn and maybe you won't end up on the wrong side of this.

 

This stuff is hilarious, never fought anyone with physical advantages but yet moved from 130-154. 5 years past his prime. I mean you can't make this kind of stuff up.

 

I just name dropped a handful of fighters with biggest advantages and talent during that time.

 

Pacquiao had the one variable against Mayweather that Marquez didn't, SPEED!
Both hand and footspeed. At least Pacquiao had those two variables he could work with against a fighter who had so many other physical advantages over him.

Well how did Mayweather take those two variables from Pacquiao? HOLDING!!!

"You're not going to get off, I'm not going to let you. I'm going to hold you. I'm bigger and stronger than you so I'll hold you. You try to punch me, I'm going to hold grab you and hold you so you cant punch."

That's pretty much the brunt of it. Holding is against the rules but unfortunately for the boxing fans referees don't know how to enforce rules.

There are instances where the clinch is unavoidable, and that's mainly when you have two fighters who want to get to the same spot on shoulder to shoulder combat. Example, Holyfield vs Tyson.
This was not the case with Mayweather vs Pacquiao, the hold here for Mayweather was mainly to stop fistic action, and that my friend is not what boxing is about.

 

Pbf shut out the man that put pac in a coma let that sink in he also schooled pac and didn't need 4 fights with jmm to beat him clearly. I bring jmm in reference to pac and pbf because jmm is a master boxer and counter puncher like pbf. And he gave pac hell with educated technical footwork and well timed counters all things that pbf has except pbf does it better add to that pbf is longer faster better reflexes better defense more accurate doesn't get lured into slugging it out fighting the other man's fight and you have a recipe for disaster if you're pac and you have to fight pbf and it was always easy to see except for wishful thinkers and pbf haters. My comparison couldn't be more spot on. Triangle theories normally don't work in boxing but in this case they do. Pbf beat both with ease and neither could beat him.

Lastly jlc and pac fight nothing alike and pbf beat jlc 2x and pac so it doesn't work. Try again.

 

If Mayweather does everything better than Marquez and then some, as like you said, he's longer, quicker and faster...…..
……...you still haven't explained why the need for Mayweather to constantly hold Pacquiao.
There was more clinching and holding by Mayweather vs Pacquiao than there was clean punching for Heaven's sake.