Sonny Liston vs Joe Frazier

Wlad would have to keep it at long range because he didn't have a clue how to fight inside,and at range he is outreached by 3 inches.Four of Liston's biggest wins are over Williams x2 6'3", DeJohn6'2.5" .and Valdez 6'3"

 

So predictable!

 

Bonevena has gotten a lot of mileage out of those knockdown, considering Frazier was only in his 11th pro bout. Sonny Banks is probably shaking his head wondering why he hardly gets mentioned for knocking down Ali.

 

You should have stopped typing at bigger. Athleticism? Compared to who? If he was so athletic he would not of had to clinch, hold and basically fall on his opponent at every opportunity. Manny developed that because Wlad had already been knocked out 3 times in his prime. He needs a slow pace.

 

How many fights had Liston had when he lost a split dec to Marty Marshall fighting 4 rds with a broken jaw ?
Try seven.
Frazier was 22 years old having his 11th fight. Frazier won a split decision


Ali was 20years old having his 11th fight.Ali stopped Banks.

 

prime joe frazier the same one WHO KICKED THE ALI ASS in 1971 AND HAD HIM DACING LA LAMBADA ON THE RING? Oh yes the jab was very relevant

 

I see and respect your points. I still have Frazier beating Sonny based on my assessment listed befor yours.
Matter of opinion that's all and in my opinion Frazier beats Sonny. Most fighters that step into the ring with Joe realize they just have too much dog in them and fold I think the same happens to Sonny that's all.

 

Good sensible post.

 

Stupidest and most irrelevant reasons ever

 

Which one checked into the hospital?

 

Oh nice way out mcvey

 

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That's the relevance of the jab!!!

 

Liston fanboys....the man was the height and weight of Chris Byrd but he's a giant who'd win on the outside, and he's a better athlete than Wlad, now.

My goodness. This just gets better and better.

 

Frazier didn't come out of it very well either ya know

 

So your saying it's easier to time Fraziers bobbing and weaving constantly moving his head and moving at the waist as opposed to Marciano who plodded forward in his crouch never moving his head?? Not IMO