Sonny Liston vs Joe Frazier

Exactly A beats B so he must beat C is nonsense.

 

That is your opinion,a somewhat hysterically presented one, but one you are entitled to ,but it doesn't mean it is a fact.

 

But all these fights happened you can't invent fantastic history based on another fights

 

I never said it

 

Well yes you are talking about upsets though aren’t you? This is a different matter.

Without form, The presumption that one fighter automatically beats the other (just because you like the look of him) is a shot in the dark. It can pay off, but it would be an upset if it did.

Best you can do is say “in my opinion” because that’s all you have Johnny.

 

There is no “must” in fantasy fights. Fighter “A” having slightly more credibility than fighter “B” is something rational worth observing.

Anything else is a flight of fancy.

 

Frazier fought a washed up 34 year old Machen in 1966. Machen would get knocked out by some guy named Boone Kirkman just 6 months later

Liston fought a 27 year old, prime Eddie Machen. Beat him 9 round to 3 in a fight that was fought at a very high pace.

Machen was never the same after 1962. He went mentally insane and was confined to a nuthouse where he was kept in a straight jacket and fed through tubes....he took a 14 month hiatus from pro boxing. He returned in late 1963 but was never the same physically or mentally.

 

Well we do have some sort of form for Joe Frazier against a top shelf powerpuncher so there's that in the mix too.

 

Frazier has the win over Ali but aside from that his resume is unremarkable and no better than Liston. Nobody he beat aside from Ali would be given any chance against Liston. So I don't see a big resume edge for Frazier aside from that one big win.

 

Ken Norton also beat Ali but I don't see people picking him over Liston and nobody gives him a chance in hell against Tyson even though many would pick Ali to beat Tyson.

 

curiously
You you forgot to mention that joe was green in 1966 and the point is that frazier stopped machen and liston could not, machen said that liston was slow and he was easy to outbox, eddie said that cleveland williams was more dangerous because was faster, joe frazier probably destroys every version of machen so anyway i don't know what is your point

 

But who the hell is saying it? Uh?big idiot? Go and suck the balls of aj

 

I don't care a crap about if you give them a chance against liston it never happened and it is all speculation(quarry would great against liston) but the FACT is that frazier has better credentials and did beat better opossition than liston did and everything you(and 4 clowns like you) can say "liston would kill all them" liston was a h2h monster" blahblah it means crap because liston never showed anything but beating patterson,cleveland williams and guys like machen that he could not even stop. He got knocked out cold by a bum like leotis martin(he could be old i don't care a crap, foreman at 45 had a much much better chin) and showed being a ***** quitter against clay.Frazier was too tough and had too much balls for a bully coward

 

Is my opinion based on what he showed with facts in the ring and quality of rivals, your opinion is reinforced by imaginary capacities that you think that he would have against fighters that he never fought

 

Frazier beats the crap out of the front running bully. Frazier was great and Ok so big George had his number but Liston isn't Foreman.