Carl Froch sets the record straight on who would have won if he fought Calzaghe

First off, I've got to thank you and Herol for the great entertainment.

Regarding my posts, again, I've never claimed that the LHW division was stacked with great fighters. All I've said, is that COLLECTIVELY, they were better fighters than the guys at SMW, and better than the MAJORITY of Joe's opponents from the period that I'm focusing on.

It's really funny watching you dig your heels in.

What I'm saying is very SIMPLE:

Roy, Dariusz, Toney, Hill, Griffin and Tarver etc, were better than Reid, Woodhall, Ottke, Brewer and Mitchell etc.

How anyone can argue against that is staggering.

Yes, those guys who I listed at LHW won and lost.

So what?

So did the guys at SMW.

You're trying to tell me that it wasn't worth Joe moving up to LHW to target Roy etc, when he was literally starving himself to fight Mario Veit twice. It's hilarious.

Regarding Woods, yes, he wasn't a great fighter. He was about the same level as Reid and Brewer. The reason I mentioned him, is because it would have been good for British boxing to see him and Joe fight. Regarding David Starie, he did not school Woods, and Woods has always claimed that he was severely weakened making weight for that fight. And seeing as though he's brutally honest, I've no reason not to believe him. What are you saying, that he wasn't good enough to compete there? Yes, he did win a LHW title, but not in the period that I'm focusing on.

I also think it's hilarious how you've defined someone as not being able to cut it.

Reggie Johnson could cut it at MW. He beat Collins, and many people think he beat a prime version of Toney. Again, I don't think you think you've seen the Castro fights.

 

Reggie Johnson isn't a great example.

All you have is:

"But he lost to Castro..."

Reggie Johnson would have been a top 5 fighter at SMW had he have been in the mix with Reid and Brewer etc. And if Joe had beaten him, it would have been one of his best wins at the time.

You've never seen the Castro fights, because if you had, you'd know how close and controversial they were.

You've been on BoxRec.

Try this piece of Baileyesque BoxRecing:

Reggie Johnson couldn't cut it at MW, yet he beat Steve Collins. Steve Collins couldn't cut it at MW either, so he moved up to SMW. Whilst he was there, he beat Chris Eubank twice, 2 years before Joe did. And Eubank was Joe's best win at SMW until he beat Kessler.

So: Reggie beat a guy who beat Joe's best opponent in 10 years.

Anyone can ignorantly spin stats in their favour without taking into account certain factors.

 

Yeah, Reggie avoided Reid, Brewer, Mitchell and Joe etc, to fight Roy and Tarver etc instead.

 

Don't be afraid, just get your eyes tested.

Roy, Dariusz, Hill, Griffin, Tarver >> Reid, Brewer, Ottke Mitchell.

 

Another hilarious post.

Since when did Johnson rule the LHW division?

He beat a badly faded version of Roy, before splitting fights with Tarver and Woods.

You're talking absolute nonsense.

Yes, Toney was hit and miss. We all know that. But go and look at the high level of skill involved in his 2 close fights with Griffin. Go and compare it to Reid losing to Malinga and Branco.

Regarding Woods, again, Starie didn't school him, and he did not win a title in the period that I'm looking at.

It would be absolutely hilarious if I put Joe's opponents under the microscope.

I'd really love to know how guys like Ottke, Sheika and Mitchell etc, were better than Roy, Dariusz and Hill etc.

I'd also really love to read some more of your definitions on who couldn't cut it.

 

Johnson beat Tarver and Woods.....2 fighters YOU named.

 

After getting spanked at 160 he took 2 years off to jump 15lbs to win a title at 175.....am I correct?

 

Group A:

Roy
Dariusz
Hill
Tarver
Toney
Griffin
Reggie

Group B:

Ottke
Joe
Reid
Woodhall
Branco
Brewer
Mitchell

Anybody who seriously thinks that group B is better collectively than group A, needs to book an urgent appointment at the opticians.

 

Yes they can and that is one good example.....Rochigiani lost to Eubank then stepped up and beat Hill....there's another.

 

Anyhow I'm not a fan of Ward, JC superstar or any of the top 10 at 168/175 of that time....plus this thread has run it's course....so I'm out for now.

 

And??

They also beat him.

What does that have to do with me saying:

Collectively, the LHW division was stronger than the SMW one during 7 of the 10 years that Joe reigned??

 

Spanked?

Ha!

Who spanked him?

Again, we can play your games.

Reggie was average.

He couldn't cut it at MW.

Yet he beat Collins who twice beat Joe's best opponent.

Brilliant.

 

Yes, and it was a close night.

And??

 

A guy who never beat 1 top guy at 168 bested Tarver who iirc was the man at 175 at the time.

 

You sure are out.

You're talking absolute nonsense.