Sonny Liston vs Joe Frazier

The only scenario in which Frazier can win this imo,is by out lasting Sonny and I just think he ships too much punishment before that could begin to happen.

 

Frazier's supposed resume edge is based on one win over Ali that's it. Without that win there is no resume edge. You're basing his advantage on exactly one fight.

 

You want to know who else quit Evander Holyfield against Sherman Williams was he just a bully coward as well?

 

Total agreement on this, can you imagine what Joe would look like after 12 rounds with a prime Sonny Liston? I still think Sonny bombs him out inside 5

 

The imagination of this forum is like a group of primary .
Joe frazier makes liston quit or would ko him clean

 

Without Ali ,frazier still has better resume than liston you laughable puppet

 

An old floyd Patterson beat a prime bonavena and was robbed against Jimmy Ellis who are among Fraziers best wins

 

Eddie Machen beat Jerry Quarry as an old man we have multiple examples of Frazier victims losing to Liston victims

 

Boxeo you are so full of sh** sometimes.. You keep talking about Liston as a quitter at 35 yrs old. He cleaned out the division, was avoided, and bombed out Patterson twice, Williams twice and many others … He was a thug, a tough SOB, and a great boxer with power .. You go pick your coconuts on the island you are all by yourself on … Fine you pick Frazier, but your Liston analysis is pure crap

 

Two shot guys by then.

 

According your ridiculous logic.. Frazier knocked out ellis who stopped leotis martin who knocked liston the **** out... And frazier did beat quarry twice ,quarry did beat patterson Get out of here you clown

 

The first fight was a blowout. And it could be that Frazier was partying the night before with his band, Did not show Foreman the respect he deserved and ultimately paid the price. What if that were the reason?

The second fight was entirely different. For Frazier it was the right game plan from a man too shot to execute a win. It was a much longer fight. Unusual for a more faded opponent lasting longer second time around isn’t it?

he can also feint with his hercky jerky rolling momentum and get Sonny to miss him.

I have entertained this view. I agreed before dismissing it that This is a sensible and insightful viewpoint...one that worked for Foreman against a depleted version of Joe Frazier who could no longer time a hook on the way in...however, for this to work against the best ever version of Frazier, Sonny has to first avoid the hook. Sonny might just collapse in a giant heap before he gets that chance.

Think of how accurate and versatile that Hook was when Joe was in his prime. In 1971 Joe cut off Ali with his footwork and landed at long range with shorter arms, it was quite incredible when you think about it. And Ali was much harder to time than Sonny Liston. If he can time Muhammad then he can time the plodding Sonny, and score first. Surely enough to develop caution from Sonny. If Liston intends to meet Joe head on he better hope he lands first. There is absolutely no guarantee that he can. And as good as Sonnys jab is, it’s not as good as Frazier’s hook.

 

The only thing that liston did clean was pure trash in a trash era between marciano and Ali, the only thing that liston did and his reputation of big bad monster was built based on the wins of patterson and cleveland williams that never were a great thing, a nobody knocked him clean out and i don't care if he was old, old foreman took shots from guys that were rated as harder punchers than mike tyson for several guys like morrison,bert cooper or cooney and of course did hit much harder than leotis martin, in fact leotis martin would get raped by 90 foreman.
Sorry but the only full of crap here is you, go and take your medication

 

Liston was shot against Martin how does that help your case? Quarry also lost to Eddie Machen who Liston beat.

 

What does 90s foreman have to do with anything? Foreman beat frazier