Luis Ortiz vs Independently Ranked Heavies

The last time Povetkin beat someone on Jennings' level was when he beat Chagaev in 2011 or maybe even Chambers in 2008.

 

You aren't really going to compare the two resumes, are you?

 

Something I notice around here is that everyone likes to **** on Wilder's resume. He's done more in the last three or four years than Povetkin. Povetkin keeps his opposition at a certain level, which is guys who are worse than Bryant Jennings.

 

Since when has a resume been limited to three or four years?

 

...and far above Cojanu, Allan or Ratz.

Obviously, Povetkin has beaten better and more accomplished boxers and champions than Bryant Jennings throughout his career. On the other hand, as already mentioned, Ortiz' has only had 2 top 20 opponents and his record is 1-1, which is not comparable to Povetkin's CV by any margin.

 

Ortiz "notable" opponents: Wilder, Jennings lost to Wilder

Whyte "notable" opponents: Parker, AJ, Chisora, Helenius, Browne Lost to AJ

Povetkin "notable" opponents: Klitschko, Chagaev, Charr, Takam, Perez, Wach ... (theres more) Lost to Klitschko

Parker "notable" opponents: Whyte, AJ, H. Fury, Takam, Ruiz Jr, Dimitrenko Lost to Whyte, AJ

Chisora "notable" opponents: Takam, Whyte, Pulev, T. Fury x2, Haye, Vitali Klitschko, Helenius Lost to all (some very close decisions) but Takam


OP is correct, Ortiz is unproven at top level. He fought Jennings in 2015, at his potential age his possible decline could of been easily hidden vs slow opponents, hence his lost to Wilder and lackluster showing vs Scott. We just don't know how good he is at pro-world level. Its all well and good pointing to someones amateur record but its a different game in the pros.

IMO anyone with a high work rate swamps Ortiz rather handily (Whyte, Parker).

 

I’m not sure Povetkin has beaten anyone better than Jennings. Jennings beat Spillka, Fedosov, and Perez and was at his peak when he fought Ortiz.

Povetkin beat a 2011 Chagaev who was post hepatitis and whose best wins were Ruiz, Valuev, and Vyrchys in 06 and 07. He never logged another good win.

Povetkin also beat Chambers. At the time of the fight, Chambers was not more accomplished than Jennings having only beaten Brock. He later beat Peter and Dimitrenko but his career is done and Jennings can still end up ahead.

Ortiz beat Thompson who beat Povetkin’s last opponent twice.

Ortiz beat Scott who beat Thompson and also a top ten Ring opponent, Glazkov. The last guy Povetkin beat who actually owns a win over a top ten opponent was a shot stiff Rahman in 2012.

And Ortiz looked pretty damn good losing too.

Povetkin is only 3-1 against top ten guys, one of whom had lost to Jennings already.

 

Your list is awful.

You mentioned PAST PRIME and shot old fighters like Helenius, Browne, Dimitrenko for all other fighters but not Tony Thompson and Malik Scott for Ortiz.

Your posting is biased bull****. You exposed yourself.

Ortiz has one of the weaker resumes compared to other Top 10 fighters, yes, but missing two solid names like Thompson or Scott and mentioning shot names like Browne or Helenius or even Dimitrenko for the other guys is just pathetic

 

Disagree, he beat Perez in 2015 and remember Perez fought a very close fight with Jennings, would of been a draw had it not been for the point deduction in that last round.

So Ortiz and Povetkin both beat similar level fighters in Jennings and Perez in 2015. Both scored big KO's too.

Jennings was overrated after the Wlad fight, people didn't realise how faded Wlad was and over inflated his ability based on that fight.

Jennings in reality is not much better than Perez if at all. Perez drew with Takam remember so that's the level of fighter we are talking about. Good, no doubt, competitive on the world level but not top contenders, fringe contenders is what I would categorize fighters like Takam, Perez, Jennings.

 

Ortiz is 45 years old on heart medication, and is basically a declining fighter who has 6 round stamina at this stage.

He has one "good" win.

One

He's been offered and turned down fights vs top 10 guys.

The only reasons people rate this guy are:

#1 It makes Wilder look better

#2 the Cuban fetish.

 

It must be so hard being the #1 fanboy of an old never-was

 

As I mentioned in the othe thread

I can undertstand people believing Ortiz would beat the likes of Whyte, Parker and Miller in a fight as he has the skills to do so. However putting Ortiz above Povetkin and Whyte as the current number 3 HW is just wrong considering they have the superior records and Ortiz only impressive win in his record was in 2015. You could even argue Miller has a better record than Ortiz however saying that I would heavily favour Ortiz in a fight between the two.

Ortiz has suffered from very poor match making for a fighter with his talent and he needs to fight a legit top 10 next.

 

Ortiz made probably more money with his Wilder fight than you will make in your whole damn life. So if he is "an old never-was" you are probably "a young never-be". Hahaha. Pathetic loser.

 

Im pretty sure I've already made more mate it was only a few 100k

 

I doubt so.