Why I think GGG is a top 15 all-time middleweight.

Name me 50 middleweights that you think are greater than Golovkin and I will tear that list apart like wet toiletpaper.

I think top 15 is reasonable, depending on the criteria that one uses for deciding greatness.

 

Maybe he sneaks in at 15, he's way past prime now so there's no way to evaluate except on his work against questionable opposition, but the middleweight division ,historically is loaded so 15 is pretty good

 

20+ for a draw makes it a common score. 115-114 is most common? There are also a lot of boxers turning in scorecards and idk if they can score well.

 

I had it 115-133 GGG in a disappointing fight.

 

113

113

 

It wouldn’t surprise me if the HBO team averaged one point of influence on the media scores.

 

I'd like GGG to win I think he deserved to last time but it was a pretty close fight.I don't think Golovkin can improve whereas Canelo might. If Golovkin wins convincingly I will put him up higher .

 

Media scores LOL.

Every media score had Roman Gonzalez beating Rungvasi when he clearly deserved the loss the judges gave to him. Rung was the better man in the first fight and proved it beyond doubt in the second.
But because the media had hyped Roman to the high heavens , they pushed the narrative he was robbed rather than come to terms their anointed p4p #1 had been beaten by a guy nobody had heard of.

Its a similar situation with Golovkin. Most media and boxing journalists predicted GGG to win , and since the result can be split by a fanny hair , they are obviously going to give the nod to GGG.
Nobody who picked GGG is going to give it to Canelo when it was so close.

And it definitely was close - too close for a supposed "ATG MW" against a smaller guy who did absolutely nothing at the weight.
Its easier to claim robbery rather than accept that GGG produced an underwhelimg performance and fought too tentative against the smaller guy moving up.
Its easy to turn a blind eye to how he stayed behind his jab and abandoned his usual offence against the best guy he shared a ring with as a pro..

I can think of host of MWs who would have dominated that Canelo who spent multiple rounds doing nothing to conserve his energy supply , some of them not even ATGs.

GGG waited his whole career for that fight , and the best he could produce was a jab show from outside his opponents range circle.

 

It's called boxing. Maybe you should get your quota of combat from the local bar at 2 am.

 

An ATG champion should in general separate himself clearly from his best challengers and I don't see how you can say that Golovkin has done that so far.

Ok if you beat every other top challenger clearly and struggle a bit with one of them, that's one thing. But so far, Golovkin has struggled with both his top challengers. That separates him from the cream of the crop.

But on the other hand, he has certainly done his job with the second tier quality of challengers. Macklin, Geale and Lemieux were perhaps just shy of top contender status, but he beat them resoundingly.

But over the last 3-4 years Canelo, Jacobs and Saunders have consistently been the top guys next to GGG, and he hasn't separated himself from them. A truly great champion must do that. Could be that he's just unfortunate that he didn't get the opportunity to really clean out when he was younger, but it is what it is.

 

Too bad Pirog's career was ruined by injuries. I'd really liked to see him and Golovkin square off.

 

a 4 year reign with unification could get u HoF one day, but ATG it aint, i agree, however you are wrong hes had 3, not 2, top world level challenges, lemmy (titlist), canny (lineal) and danny (number 1 contender) and he knocked out one of them...though i agree the others were close of course.

 

Golovkin doesn't have a defining victory against a single elite opponent. If we can consider Alvarez an elite opponent, he may well earn one yet.

Even then, what will a win over Canelo count for, really? He is not particularly proven at middleweight and is unlikely to travel much farther, if at all, beyond 160.

Golovkin has some good-looking numbers - against run-of-the-mill competition. However, I think this is all put into perspective, when one takes into account his less than inspiring performances against the couple of actual world class opponents he has faced. Longevity/consistency counts for something, but this too is relative to the level of competition.

If he beats Canelo convincingly in the rematch, he might have a case for cracking the top-50. I don't know about top-40.