Carl Froch sets the record straight on who would have won if he fought Calzaghe

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  1. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    A true hype job, never beat anyone of note and lost everytime he stepped up....which wasn't often.

    Although I had he scraping past Froch
     
  2. Loudon

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    He's extremely talented but mentally weak.
     
  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Whats funnier is that you ducked the questions I asked, like I said you would and like you have on every reply

    That is just your opinion. I just gave you some facts and that is what you are failing to grasp.
    You rate Pascal for Froch but dont like to acknowledge that Hopkins who lost to Calzaghe some years previously went on to beat Pascal. Its a fact

    So we go back to me asking you questions and you ducking them.
    You forget also that Veit had claim to a world title after Calzaghe beat him and that Bika had a world title also. or that many felt Reid beat Ottke after losing to Calzaghe. I suppose that slipped your mind also.
    Tell me who all these shot fighters were Calzaghe beat and then tell me how G Johnson was a prime fighter when he fought Froch, or even how Kessler was prime when Froch beat him, or how Rybacki was prime when Froch fought him on a title eliminator or how Taylor and Abraham were accomplished SMWs.
    Then tell me all the SMWs that Calzaghe intentionally chose not to face when prime?
    Cant wait for you to duck again

    Will you answer those questions. I doubt it and that is far more creepy when someone argues blindly but cant put up any answers to back up what they accuse other of. Think about it
     
  4. bailey

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    Giving the facts


    Future 2 time champ as well and thats what he was crediting Froch for doing beating a fighter who won a title at LHW only Brahmer has been around alot longer and even went back to SMW to score a noted victory


    It would have been one of Roys top 3 SMW wins and would have been notable for Andre like it is Calzaghe especially if they had of travelled to Germany to defend

    Wouldnt say it was with ease. Ward was looking troubled at the end. Still Calzaghe beat many fighters with damaged hands right from the start of his career.

    Now please answer this question as you duck it so much.
    I read how Ward mentioned that he didnt know about the break and wasnt troubled by it. So why with him saying he wasnt aware of it or troubled by it, do you keep trying to make out it was a factor?
    I have had broken bones and worked as normal without being aware
     
  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ask what you wanted to ask?

    Now Ottke did beat prime G Johnson who beat R Jones
     
  6. DoubleJ

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    Being ranked or having a title in a weak division doesn't impress me much. Veit having a share of a title means absolutely nothing if Veit himself is a subpar fighter. Bika earning an alphabet title doesn't change the fact that he was B level as well. Reid was another decent but not great fighter. On a pure talent basis, 168 was not very good.

    The fact Eubank was able to move up to 168 and pretty much clean it out is as much of a testament to the weakness of 168 as it was a credit to Eubank, who was no longer at his best. The very fact that Eubank would literally never win another fight after facing Joe proves he was shot when he did.

    RJJ was at 168 at the same time as Joe, but Joe said "I know my limitations" followed by "it would take the crown jewels." So, Joe would know a thing or two about this ducking thing you keep mentioning.

    If I was a Joe fan, I'd be frankly embarrassed to bring up Glen Johnson or RJJ as Johnson laid RJJ comatose. RJJ had been KO'd 3 straight times before Joe finally faced him and would go on to be knocked out by such subpar fighter as Enzo. Yet he lasted the full 12 with Joe and managed to knock Joe on his ass.

    Take a look at what fighters accomplished after facing Joe and there's a trend: nothing of importance.

    Now take a look at Froch's opponents: Ward was a champion at the time and went on to the #1 P4P ranking in the world. Pascal was young, prime, and would go on to be light heavyweight champion of the world. Kessler was past prime but still at least a B+ level fighter.

    The Bute and Lacy wins are eerily similar in that they looked good at the time but were clearly hypejobs in hindsight.
     
  7. Loudon

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    We don't believe you.

    You only hype Mario because Joe beat him.

    Regarding Andre:

    http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/7384318/andre-ward-had-broken-hand-win-carl-froch
     
  8. Loudon

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    This is weak even by your standards.

    No answer to the rest of my post?

    I wonder why.
     
  9. ellerbe

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    You talking about Calzaghe?
     
  10. Odins beard

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    No the US hype job Dirrell.....Dirrell only wishes he had a win worthy of note of a David Starie let alone a 16th of the career JC had.
     
  11. ellerbe

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    Whenever someone brings up hypejob and never fought anyone good Zaggers is the first person to come to mind. He did fight Kessler to be fair. But Kessler was injured.
     
  12. Odins beard

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    Who did Dirrell beat?

    JC beat 12 fighters who where current/future or former world champions.

    Yes he did beat Kessler who is also Wards best victory at 168.
     
  13. ellerbe

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    Dirrell isn't hyped like Calzaghe. He beat an injured Kessler. And I'd say Froch is a better win.
     
  14. Odins beard

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    Froch lost to Kessler and had to wait until he was half blind to get the win.

    Also in the run up Kessler and his promoter said he was injury free, the alleged injury only came to surface to save face 6 months after the fight.

    Also JC as you should know had legendary glass hands but nobody ever seems to take this into account.

    Dirrell was hyped on here by a certain section of the board, when in reality he was a total flop at top level.

    Outside of the Froch fight (which I admit I had he squeaking a win in) he failed and got KTFO off a guy who was schooled by Korobov....and remember this was also a guy who was the guy a certain section section of the board said schools GGG :risas3:
     
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  15. HerolGee

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    u lie, he had immediate surgery.

    Kessler doesnt ever attempt to save face, you do dishonour to this viking warrior of whom you as a northerner should defend your shared viking heritage with. it is in fact Cowardzaghe who wasnt interested in kessler ...until the day he heard kessler was planning to take time off for surgery.

    Your chances of getting into valhalla arent going well.