Why I think GGG is a top 15 all-time middleweight.

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Is Golovkin a top 15 all time great at middle weight?

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  2. No

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  1. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    No argument from me here
     
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  2. HerolGee

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    goodness arent we jumping the shark on this? Wait till 3G has as many defneces as Bern before you compare them. Theres no sense in comparing him when hes only halfway to 20, anyone comes up short if you do that.

    For all you know, 3G may go no a streak of 10 ATG defneces next and then you'd all look silly trying to pretned hes still worse than hopkins.
     
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  3. HerolGee

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    no he wasnt cheating with peds that time. if you make shyt up you make real 3G fans like me look silly.
     
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  4. HerolGee

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    he didnt. it was very close but it would be gift to give contender jacobs the decision.

    There are a few who tihnk he won, largely they would be fans of his style over 3Gs, thats all.
     
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  5. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    what does this acheive, except egg on your face? toney reached and got far higher than canelo so far has.
    Rather you should have said wait till canelo has finished then compare them - say the smart thing, not the dumb thing.
     
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  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    When you have 50+ cards and 80% say it GGG won, that is a sign it was a bogus decision, and the one judge who voted for Canelo was absolute garbage. I saw crap like all three judges giving Canelo rounds 10, 11, and 12 which is not good judging if you watch the fight. It was done to help Canleo achieve a card on one card.


    8-4, 0r 7-4-1 is not close. Neither is a clear 7-5. The math says GGG out landed Canleo in 10 rounds, to 1 with one round even. Canelo did NOT win 6 rounds, therefore the draw is bogus.

    You can't be serious. Bad juding is a problem in boxing, and has nothing to do with the fighter, rather the Promoter ( Oscar De La Hoya ), who picked these " judges "


    Now here's where fall short. Murray was decent, very completive with Martinez. The victory means something as GGG was the only an to stop him. The match happened when Murray was in his prime at age 32

    To be fair if you want apples to apples, Eastman by contrast was stopped more often, and lost 13 times. 13 times is a lot. Murray only lost 4 times 3 of those 4 looses for Murray were to top guys in Martinez ( Close enough fight ) GGG ( Murray was badly outclassed and stopped ) and Abraham. Eastman? He lost to NO NAMES! OFTEN.

    Now, can you show me Hopkins best 5 wins at 160 pounds. I've asked another poster before. You might be able to post them.
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    Hopkins should have 19 defenses at middleweight. The No Contest vs Robert Allen in 1998 does not count to make it 20.

    Golovkin has 20 actual title defenses at 160, so he passed him.

    I highly doubt GGG has 10 more title defenses at 160 pounds. He's not having 10 more fights.
     
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  8. Mendoza

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    I think Canelo was heavier than ANY middle weight on fight night that you can name. He filled out quite a bit, possibly with PED's and refused to step on the scale the night of the fight.

    When I say blown up Welter, its usually guys who fight around 160, not 175. We shall see how Canelo looks on the scales. If he's the same, then it wasn't PED's the first time. If he shrinks in size, you have to wonder if he was on PED's in the first fight.

    On the topic of facing blown up welters, GGG was not as fortunate as say Hagler or Monzon. Mayweather, Cotto, and Khan would never fight him at 160.
     
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  9. Mendoza

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    Poll added per request.
     
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  10. Bokaj

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    Yep, where we are at when it comes to Golovkin's legacy so far is that he is one or two levels above the likes of Geale and Lemieux. But so are Cotto and Saunders, so it doesn't say all that much.

    He had the chance to show he was a level above even the top contenders, but he didn't manage to imo.
     
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  11. Bokaj

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    No, he will hardly go down as one of the great belt holders.
     
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  12. FrankinDallas

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    But that's a very important point about GGG...he's what? 36 yrs old? No way does he get 10 ATG defences, first of all there's no time for them . Even if he fights 2 ATG's per year that takes him to 41-42 yrs old. Second, where are the 10 ATG's at present between 160 and 175? There aren't any IMO. George Groves? Billy Saunders? Bivol/Kovalev? Nope. Canelo POSSIBLY if he steps up his game; he's young enough to do it, if DLH lets him fight the best out there.
     
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  13. FrankinDallas

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    Here is a list I found....I don't necessarily agree with it but it does list guys at MW that are very famous, at least.
    Honestly, where could you put GGG? James Toney, Mike McCallum and Freddie Steele aren't even listed. I don't put Ketchel up there as he seemed very crude and certainly not as good a more modern guys.

    1. Carlos Monzon
    2. Marvin Hagler
    3. Harry Greb
    4. Sugar Ray Robinson
    5. Mickey Walker
    6. Gene Fullmer
    7. Emile Griffith
    8. Dick Tiger
    9. Nino Benevenuti
    10. Stanley Ketchel
    11. Tiger Flowers
    12. Bernard Hopkins
    13. Tony Zale
    14. Charley Burley
    15. Bob Fitzsimmons
    16. Jake LaMotta
    17. Marcel Cerdan
    18. Carmen Basilio
    19. Joey Giardello
    20. Kid McCoy
     
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  14. dinovelvet

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    Here's where you fall short.

    Murray lost to a one legged and one handed Martinez who was at the end of his career. The same Martinez was very nearly stopped by Cotto in the first round. Cotto then battered him one sided him until he was pulled out later in the fight.

    To make matters worse , Murrary had to fight dirty to gain an advantage against an old broken down Sergio. . You were complaining about Hop fighting dirty earlier but i imagine you'll give Murray a free pass.


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    Thats how useless Murray was. He restored to kicking Sergio's injured knee because he wasn't good enough to outbox him. You don't have to look far to find a better MW than Martin Murray.

    Eastman is without a shadow of a doubt a better win than Murray.


    https://www.badlefthook.com/2013/4/...nez-broken-hand-martin-murray-hbo-boxing-news

    There's the proof that Murray had a busted hand. ^


    Here's info on the extent of his leg injury.

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  15. dinovelvet

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    No. The WBA regular is a trinket and not a real title. Hopkins never defended a second tier belt of which the real version was held by somebody else.
     
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