GGG vs James Toney.

How many defences of his MW titles did Nunn make? He was the guy that scraped by Marlon Starling, or am I mistaken?

 

Still missing the point of the thread, I see.

 

My point is that Toney was beatable and top flight guys could do it.

My point is that there's a whole stack of guys that were merely "good" that he struggled mightily to beat and in some cases lost to.

People seem to invent this mythical invincible super slick ultra busy James Toney and forget the time that he looked like he was drowning against featherfist Tiberi, or barely scraped past Sosa or when Reggie Johnson took Toney to the observatory to see stars or when Nunn schooled his ass before running out of puff or when OLD McCallum gave him all he could handle. There comes a point when one asks oneself "what WAS a prime Toney at MW like, exactly?"

On the other hand an OLD Golovkin goes the distance with a giant top MW in Jacobs and gets no end of flak for it.

I'm thinking some rose-tinted specs need to be removed.

 

I could in no way be accused of being a James Toney fan, but the purpose of the thread is clear. Nevertheless, you seem unable to get past your own version of the James Toney story, which isn't required to answer the question posed sensibly; nor is it even relevant.

Toney's perceived status/ranking - at middleweight or overall pound-for-pound - quite probably rests, to some extent, on his results/performances against Nunn and McCallum. But - for this thread, I don't care about that.

Golovkin could never in a month of Sundays pose the sort of challenge that Nunn did. They are stylistically polar opposites. I also think Nunn would have schooled Golovkin from start to finish. As would McCallum. And, what I think they'd both have done to Jacobs goes without saying.

Reggie Johnson would be a value-for-money bet against Golovkin, as well.

I hope this puts things into perspective for you. No rose-tinted specs required.

 

Absolutely. Our opinions differ.

 

GGG's biggest asset is his power and that would be pretty much negated by Toney's iron chin and defense.
GGG ain't outboxing Lights Out either like Roy did, guy would look like a tortoise racing a cheetah compared to RJJ.

Toney easy UD.

 

Wrong. GGG's biggest assets are his pressure and activity. James didn't fancy either of those. The ring could get awful small for Lights Out. Nothing easy about this fight either way.

 

50/50 rt now for me. Although the Toney of the McCallum fights I'd favor in a UD

 

I like the jab of Golovkin to score the points. James will not land enough counters to win rounds. Effective sure, but he needs to win 7 rounds against this guy. And Golovkin won't throw a ton of right hand leads against this guy. that's when toney counters so effectively. But it's the Golovkin left hand that does the work.

 

I'd probably rank Golovkin higher at MW than Toney, but style-wise I think this match-up favors Toney.

 

Whats this mythical activity i keep hearing about?

Either GGG misses the majority of his punches or he doesn't hit that hard because i didn't see Jacobs or Canelo get hit with a volume of shots in any of the 12 rounds they fought against him.

Lets be real , GGG does hit hard and neither guy would stand up to a sustained attack form him , so the notion he puts a high workrate on guys is a falsity.
Canelo never came close to being dropped or even hurt in that fight.

When you have a guy with speed and good countering abilities like Canelo , GGG fights tentative since he's wide open for counter shots.
Not a good weakness to have against Toney who was a bigger , better and harder counter puncher than Canelo. And unlike Canleo he didn't need to take breaks to conserve his energy supply.
Toney by shutout if you ask me , i think the proof of the pudding is in the Canelo fight

 

GGG outlanded Canelo by 200 punches. What are you talking about?

Let me shock some sense into you... Wladmir!

 

GGG doesn't throw much vs elite fighters.
He looks scared to get countered, doesn't go to the body as much and doesn't fully commit to attacking.
Toney would pick him apart especially if GGG was hesitant.

Most of his thrown punches were poking jabs which would just slide off of toney.
Either GGG opens up and gets countered

or

he stays hesitant and waits until his opponent stops punching like with Canelo(any time Canelo opened up GGG covered up and backed off, luckily for him Canelo gasses quickly) in which case toney just outworks him and because GGG doesn't punch with his opponents or slip and counter he has no chance to catch toney.

 

I reckon compustat documented a lot of feints and probing punches. That night Golovkin gave an acting performance , not a boxing performance.