Fury Wilder IS HAPPENING IN DECEMBER - IGNORE HEARN

I don't think it's going to happen.

[shrugs]

 

Yes you’re bob on there pal,Hearn said that Fury would take four fights against duffers and then AJ 50/50 or something?thing is we all know how loyal to Warren Fury and BJS are so you can basically discount anything Fury said to Hearn in Psy Op fake negotiations lol.
Looking back on it now with Hearn basically revealing private stuff about Fury and thinking he was so clever about it and in the know,thinking back can you imagine Fury and Warren and Saunders hooting with laughter over it lol cause I can.
Fury and Saunders are so loyal to that guy you just know Frank knows 100% he wouldn’t go to Hearn and so if you can imagine this right,I reckon Warren has played the long game and psy op’d Hearn in as much as he let Hearn be all clever about it at the time,slagging off Warren going on about Furys next four opponents against duffers,Warren and Fury just kept their mouths shut in the knowledge that if something big came along early they could use it and make Hearn look a total dick who was actually never in the know to begin with about Furys come back.........it’s blown my mind as Hearn is a bit like Trump in as much as he’s crafty,hates to lose and wants to be the man in the know about everything.

I’m sure someone said he was visibly fuming about this with Wilder and Fury lol

 

And quite honestly that’s how it should be,couldn’t care less how many pay to watch the A side and if Golovkin could manage it against Canelo who has gotten 50% near as damn it then so should the winner of Wilder v Fury........should also be in Vegas.

 

AJ is the money man. No question about that. But he's not just about money and AJ fans themselves would know that.

It's about establishing his own place in history. To do that, he wants to unify all the major belts. He also needs to claim the lineal championship.

To be fair to AJ & Fast Eddie, I think that's the path they were on. One more fight, then Wilder for all the alphabet belts & then see where Fury is at.

But the Fury v Wilder fight (if it gets made) is a move they hadn't anticipated. The winner of that fight will be holding a couple of big aces (the lineal championship & WBC belt).

If the winner is Wilder, he might be holding another ace in Showtime. They will back him big in terms of financing title defences if a fight with AJ can't be made on acceptable terms. In my view, the only "acceptable terms" will be a 50/50 split. Wilder may also dig his heels in on venue. He's not beating Joshua in the UK so why fight him there?

I think the Fury v Wilder fight takes a lot of power away from Joshua & Eddie Hearn and hands it to the winner of the fight. Particularly if that winner happens to be Wilder. Presumably that's why it's happening (if, in fact, it does).

 

There’s something funny going on in the Heavyweight division at the moment,it was a division of upsets where anyone inc the greats like Lennox and Wlad and Tyson took losses against lesser guys on account that they all have power.
Hear me out here but even when I was a big AJ fan I used to think “how on earth can AJ and Hearn talk about making deals with the next opponent when he’s got a guy like Povetkin to face” either it’s confidence at its best,disrespectful to his current opponent or like the Parker fight having a Ref that disallows punching each other?

Loose tape on his gloves buys him minutes when he’s tired and with his new boring style of jabbing at range with a Ref who doesn’t let his opponents work in close I know myself and CST80 have come to the conclusion this is how he’s able to talk about his next opponent as with all the above he knows percentage wise the chances of him getting knocked out are odds he can work with.

 

How much credit should the brit refs get for AJs career to date?

How much credit should AJ get even with the helper refs?

Cant say all unless you want to joke which is fine, lol,

 

Look, I think they just have a lot of confidence in their guy. Maybe that, plus they see their jobs as just setting up the fights and if someone happens to knock Joshua off then that's life & they will deal with it then.

I think that's fine & good, but if you are managing Joshua, you need to be very wary and in my view, more risk averse than they currently are.

I think taking the Povetkin fight is a mistake. He's a tough Russian who can dish it & take it.

I've got him marked "avoid".

 

Lol I couldn’t believe it when he took on Wlad so early in his reign but I guess money wise and how it would launch him to stardom made sense esp as Wlad being the gent he his basically was passing the torch down and going out on his shield.
AJ takes some risky fights,the one I was scared about so soon in his career was Dillian Whyte and it came close to going tits up which is why I wouldn’t want him going anywhere near Whyte before Wilder,believe me I reckon he’s more a risk than Povetkin.
I have an image of Povetkin getting rocked off Wlads jabs alone and the way he was bereft of ideas just walking in would be suicide against AJ with his uppercut,went life and death with Marko Huck and looked poor in his fight before Price.

Course he can knock AJ out but he could look very ordinary against the super heavyweight Joshua,meanwhile in the WBCs wisdom Wilder has to fight Breazeale a mandatory that flew up the rankings past Whyte lol?

 

You could say both are mad for leaving this fight to build as Fury and Ortiz(rematch mentioned)and Povetkin and Whyte(rematch also mentioned)are no joke and could easily spoil their plans.

 

They tried to use some of Wlads negotiation tactics with rematch for us and not for you and the percentages. In the end Hearn was looking after his guy but he’s made them come across as greedy and painted themselves into a corner. The winner of Wilder/ Fury will have more clout because say what you want Tyson is the lineal champion.

 

I doubted it was going to be an acceptably successful ppv fight in America at first too. But thought about it, looked at comps, and it probably does the trick. I put a thread up with a poll, and the consensus was it would sell enough to do everything the winner would want to get out of it: A at least 60% of the purse AJ was offering anyway and B a much stronger negotiating hand to force a 50/50 deal from AJ. Even the loser won't really be any worse of than they would ha e been, of they can get a mandatory spot from one of the orgs down the line.

Really a masterstroke from Fury and Wilder.

 

Yeah, great posts. You hit exactly how I see it as well. I'm not a partisan either, before this, I was definitely saying Wilder had to just accept 35 or 40 from AJ and get the deal done. But this is a really clever move from Wilder and Fury. Honestly, I didn't think they were capable of a move like this. But the winner automatically draws almost even with AJ in resume, and if the ppv does decent, they have new financial leverage as well. I think the real play will be "hey, we can make almost as much in us as UK, and the fans are demanding this fight. Give us 50% and we'll fight in UK, otherwise, your fans will start to hold you accountable and you will have trouble selling out Wembley."

 

I think the fight will happen. I don''t know if Fury is ready or not, but it's not impossible for him to be where he needs to be like some are suggesting. It's a good fight that will put the winner in a better position to negotiate a deal with Joshua. I don't know what to expect. Fury is the better boxer which usually gives Wilder trouble, but I've always thought that Wilders speed and reach would pose a unique threat to Fury's defense. Wilder will be dealing with a reach he has never seen before either, so it's hard to know how they each handle it. Klitschko may be a great fighter, but his loss to Fury was was an embarrassment that tarnished his legacy. When faced with a challenge he hadn't seen before his response was basicallly to give up without a fight. He just shut down. Wilder won't shut down like that so easily, but he can't just walk through Fury's punches risk fre either like seem to believe he can. Wilder would be stupid to come into the fight thinking that.

 

Can't blame Hearn, but he underestimated the unpredictability of the Lineal Heavyweight champion

Tyson Fury made a powerful decision...It upset the status quo that Hearn was basing all his moves on

 

Fury fighting wilder at this point ain’t a shock it’s exactly in line with Fury’s personality. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he pulled it off either lol