Alvarez Beat Kovalev in Spectacular fashion, what does that say about Ward's 2 fights?

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  1. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Alvarez deserves huge credit for taking out SK the way he did. He looks like and reminds me of a black El Chino( that's Marcus Maidana for those who don't know).

    I say this because he beat SK at his own game. He stood up to his punches without needing to hold, bull rush or look to the ref to stop SK from working.

    We all know the SK that fought Ward was drinking 96% ABV Russian vodka every day of the week, was paranoid of his trainers who were conspiring against him because they wanted out but didn't want to leave the pay cheque and barely trained as a result.

    We know that Jackson was sending Ward's team critical intel on their plans for the fight, alongside a breakdown on SK's strengths and weaknesses.

    We can see SK won the first fight between them and we can honestly say Ward was on his way to winning the 2nd fight before he couldn't help himself from cheating as he seems to get a kick out of winning the wrong way.

    Alverez didn't have those luxuries, this was a reinvigorated Sergey Kovavel with a camp that he trusted whilst sober in body, mind and spirit. However we cannot ignore the fact he has lost his aura, his confidence from all the screwjobs that have been carried out against him, nevertheless he still possesses frightening power and you could see he hurt Alvarez on numerous occasions, yet Alvarez took his medicine like a man instead of resorting to butchering his opponent with headbutts and elbows and still marched forward to do what he had to do.

    Not only that but he knocked SK out legitimately. No dodgy decisions, no bribes, no spying on camps, just hard honest work and clean fighting.

    I'd love to see this guy put Yarde on the hitlist next, to take him out the same way.
     
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  2. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Legit stoppage no controversy
     
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  3. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Does Alvarez get the same credit Ward gets? Probably not, and Ward didn't have the benefit of seeing Kovalev beaten before. Not by knockout.
     
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  4. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    He deserves more credit because he actually stood toe to toe with SK and more or less fought SK's fight and won.

    Ward ran, hid, elbowed, and low blowed to claw his way to victory in the rematch.

    He lost the first fight, so how can he get credit for a loss?
     
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  5. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yeah but at the same time isn't finding a way to win without taking that sort of punishment better? If Alvarez fights in every fight like that his longevity will be affected. Finding ways to win outside opponents style is the mark of a great fighter. Ray Leonard comes to mind. I was noticing in the fight seeing clips how open Kovalev is. He does not have great defense, which if his chin did get worse is a flaw which got him the loss. I don't see how he was a great fighter. His feet were wide apart and he stood always in front of his opponent and tried to impose his will on them. And it worked for the most part and then it has not.
     
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  6. 81ZAR

    81ZAR Dr. Steelhammer Full Member

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    Great performance by Alvarez, no controversy whatsoever, he won fair and square. The same can't be said for the Ward fights when Kovalev clearly won the first fight and he "lost" the second fight via combination to the nuts.
     
  7. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    That's true if you can find a way to win without taking needless punishment then it is great, if it is done legally.

    There was nothing legel in how the 2nd fight finished between Ward and SK. A neutral legitimate ref would have either

    1) Stopped the action and given Kovalev a 5 minute recovery from the punches below the belt line

    2) Warned Ward and tell him to back off

    3) Deduct points from Ward

    4) Disqualify Ward

    But we don't need to turn this thread into another ''low blow it was wrong'' type of thread.

    It's already accepted amongst the boxing faithful that those two win's on Ward's record are shams.

    We should be congratulating a new rising star in boxing who showed his elder Ward how a real fighter, fights
     
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  8. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Kov isn't 100% interested in boxing, hasn't been for a while, not pro enough..JDJ around for so long tells me that he's been a mess in training for years
     
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  9. rorschach51

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    Alvarez is the same age as Ward.
     
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  10. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward was the first to do it, he beat kovalev at the peaks of his power, Alvarez did very well to get the stoppage from behind, but he didn’t beat the unified undefeated kovalev, facts. Just like Fury should get more credit for the Wlad fight than AJ.
     
  11. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never saw what Ward did in the second fight as terrible. He was excited. He just had Kovalev hurt and was trying to lower Kovelev's hands to stop him, and he would have.
     
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  12. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "yeah but at the same time isn't finding a way to win without taking that sort of punishment better?"
    Not if you want to follow the rules of boxing & bea respected winner...or you can be a low life scum bag & sneer your way around the youtube cretins channels & have a hollow victory.
    This is the man who sued a man riddled with cancer after that man had helped his career...
     
  13. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    they both get same credit for beating an elite.
     
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  14. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    No they don't.
     
  15. BCS8

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    I honestly think that maybe Kovalev got lazy in training and he's paying the price for it now. I bet he has problems motivating himself.
     
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