Why I think GGG is a top 15 all-time middleweight.

"In professional boxing, super middleweight is contested between the middleweight and light heavyweight divisions, in which boxers weigh above 160 pounds (73 kg) and up to 168 pounds (76 kg). The class first appeared in 1967."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_middleweight

"Chavez Jr. claimed he had agreed all the demands set by Álvarez and was said that he would sign the contract. According to Chavez Jr. the new demands included a weight limit set at 164.5 pounds and a $6 million base purse plus PPV revenue percentages.[10] On January 13, Álvarez officially confirmed the fight to take place on May 6, 2017. A rematch clause was also put in place if Chavez Jr. wins the fight and another clause for every pound Chavez Jr. weighs over the limit, he would be fined $1 million"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canelo_Álvarez_vs._Julio_César_Chávez_Jr.

Thanks for playing.



Have a lollipop, kid.

 

ha fine i meant smw, but its one fight.

 

How do you think Canelo would fare at Light Heavyweight? Personally, I think he'd get badly hurt competing in that division.

He didn't put whatever that unofficial weight differential was to any use in the Golovkin bout, did he? That's quite likely because he is the smaller man, who doesn't carry middleweight power. Techniques for controlled, rapid weight gain and re-hydration over a 24-36 hour period are fairly common place now.

Also - Additional weight does not automatically equate to size; neither does it necessarily improve power nor overall performance. The extra weight might not be advantageous, at all - it could just as easily be a disadvantage.

For De La Hoya, 160 was probably a bridge too far, but he had demonstrated power at 154 (Vargas). He was a Middleweight Titlist when he faced Hopkins; meaning, he didn't win a catchweight contest for a Middleweight Title.

Golovkin was Canelo's first outing against a genuine Middleweight.

Incidentally, Trinidad was weighing in just short of 170 pounds, unofficially, during his middleweight run. but I would suggest Trinidad is probably bigger than Canelo.

 

Hopkins became the first 'Undisputed Middleweight Champion' since Hagler, in 2001. He was fast-approaching his 37th birthday when he put on a clinic against an undefeated Trinidad, to achieve his Undisputed status.

To the best of my knowledge, Golovkin is not, at present, universally recognized as the undisputed champ.

Coming through adversity is part of the journey. And, what a journey it was for Hopkins.
The stark lack of adversity for Golovkin, save perhaps his hard slog with LMW Ouma and up until his recent close shaves with actual world class fighters, merely underlines the utter mediocrity he has built a record on.

The bit in bold is patent nonsense.

The truth is that Golovkin's ledger can't stack up to Hopkins', which is widely recognised as having been derived out of a fairly flat Middleweight era. But, regardless of what one wants to pretend is a good level of opponent (e.g. Geale and Lemieux), Hopkins cements his place in Middleweight history by having achieved a ten-year championship reign, successfully defending the Title(s) 20 times and, for four years, as Undisputed Middleweight Champion of the World; a mantel he would keep until he was 40 years old. This is significant and puts a considerable amount of daylight between himself and Golovkin, at this time.

 

I think we'll probably have to agree to disagree on how a Trinidad/Canelo fight would turn out.

I also think the unofficial figures given for Alvarez's weight are both bought into too much and misinterpreted. He bloats on re-hydration, it doesn't increase his size - just establishes above average hydration in preparation for the contest. Moving up to 168 would be an odd move for him but, if he did decide to make it, I'd at least expect this to put the perception of Canelo as a giant, into it's proper perspective.

 

Oh yes, I looked again, he crept in at number ten.